Religion is what ties everything together and helps one make sense out of the world and live in it.
For those who believe in religion, yes I agree that it helps them.
Religion asks great questions, such as “who are we,” “what are we doing here” and “what does it all mean.” Those questions can be asked from a supernatural perspective but they need not be.
These questions are fundamental, I agree that anyone can ask them. I expect that that everyone asks them. The questions are a part of most religions, some religions try to answer them; but they exist apart from religions, and so are not from any religion. They are from something deeper than religion, they are from humanity.
... chooses to bite in to life as one would bite into a chunk of watermelon, with such enthusiasm that a bit of the juice may run down the chin. This is what I would call a religious attitude. There isn’t a speck of supernaturalism in it.
That was vivid! Now let me try…
Hunger is also more fundamental than religion, I see it as a drive, every cell of our body needs nourishment, we can hardly stop hunger without the greatest restraint, if you’ve been hungry you know it compels us with the strength of our drive to breath that you feel when you hold your breath.
Maybe the watermelon thing is something a little different though, we don’t savor broccoli, potato, nor water the same way that we do watermelon. I think of that as a reaction to the anticipation, we get appetized by a description of: Some tender golden fingerling potatoes, oven roasted with a crisp skin, oiled and salted to succulence, served steaming hot. Roasted around a thick pork chop, browned on the outside and juicy white on the inside, pepper corns and mint jelly on top, trimmed lean, served with the bone, I invite you to tear into that with your teeth. With Caprice salad on the side, red ripe tomatoes at their sweet and zesty peak, sliced a dozen times, shuffled with fresh alabaster white mozzarella, so tender and milky fresh, the classic pair complimenting one another so well that you can hardly tear your attention from it. And don’t leave out the watermelon salad, the watermelon chopped, its sweet lovely juices pooling at the bottom of a deep oval plate mingling with some sweet and intensely zesty cheap American red wine vinegar, the red onions sliced, and the rings cut again and scattered among the watermelon (yes, I said it), but not before it is sautéd in extra virgin olive oil to a juicy translucent brown, the lovely onion’s sweet inner character bought to center stage, and its wild acid tamed, garnish it with some refreshing and powerful mint leaves and a hot cinnamon stick to suck on. We’ll serve this on a sunny breezy day in the late Spring, sitting on a cantilevered and brick paved balcony overlooking a canal, the paddle boats cruising by with their sloshing sounds, the children laughing and singing, joggers bouncing along, and ducks diving under and surfing on the ripples.
Appetite, you just can’t help it, its a reaction, even when you’ve been fed, don’t you agree? Remember if the ingredients don’t appetize you, then don’t eat it.
I don’t see the watermelon thing as a belief, nor religious. Appetite is all about biology. I am unconvinced.
jump, if you associate religion with the supernatural, then that is how you see it. But please, if you intend to speak on behalf of scientific naturalists or Humanists, do not make the categorical statement that all religion is based on supernaturalism. ... demonstrably and unequivocally false. ...not just arguably wrong. It’s demonstrably and undeniably wrong.
I am unconvinced by repetition, and not even corroboration from Mriana.
Maybe you could demonstrate religion without a supernatural foundation, maybe by some real world examples, or by some authoritative definitions, or maybe other possibilities.
I think that the Jews don’t require their members to believe in God… but on the other hand they’d probably still consider you a Jew if you converted to Islam as long as your mother was Jewish!
I see religion defined in Merrium-Webster’s (p. 988 of the tenth paper edition), some senses mention the supernatural, some don’t. The more modern forms of “religion” mention the supernatural, and the older ones talk about adherence to the practices. The supernatural is definitely in that definition, but not explicit everywhere in there.
I’m not convinced that religion doesn’t need a supernatural element by those two examples.
Religious Humanists really puzzle me. What are they doing that is religious, if they are Humanists who’ve focus on the natural world?
What are they calling religion, maybe a practice of attending church and holding a discussion? Well a discussion in a ritual space is no more religious than the ritual practice of visiting the bars on the weekend, while dressed in those particular outfits that get warn in the night, the club wear (ritual robes, or whatever your style is). They are not religious about a night out, because there is nothing supernatural about it, its just a habit and is neither a religion nor a ceremony.
This false notion has divided our communities and our movements and will continue to do so for as long as it persists.