Bernie_Dehler - 17 June 2010 05:16 PM

Gnostikosis said:
“Would you go and agree to sacrifice your son as God requested of Abraham?  I don’t care if God makes this demand of faith from me. The answer is hell no.”

Why “no?” Because it is simply your emotional, natural instinct to pass on your genes? 

If you had a son…....and God ask you to slit his throat….......what would you do?

toombaru - 17 June 2010 06:23 PM

If you had a son…....and God ask you to slit his throat….......what would you do?

He’d have to have the voice of Morgan Freeman. Then I might consider it…

I voted “I don’t know”. Mainly because I strongly feel that it depends on what type of science they are working on.

VYAZMA - 17 June 2010 06:41 PM

I voted “I don’t know”. Mainly because I strongly feel that it depends on what type of science they are working on.

Stem cell research?

It depends on how well the science can align with their cognitive dissonance.

asanta - 17 June 2010 08:04 PM

It depends on how well the science can align with their cognitive dissonance.

Perfect.

toombaru - 17 June 2010 07:47 PM

VYAZMA - 17 June 2010 06:41 PM

I voted “I don’t know”. Mainly because I strongly feel that it depends on what type of science they are working on.

 

Stem cell research?

Evidence to support the Exodus?

toombaru - 17 June 2010 09:07 PM

toombaru - 17 June 2010 07:47 PM

VYAZMA - 17 June 2010 06:41 PM

I voted “I don’t know”. Mainly because I strongly feel that it depends on what type of science they are working on.

 

Stem cell research?

Evidence to support the Exodus?

Research on homosexuality?

toombaru - 17 June 2010 06:23 PM

Bernie_Dehler - 17 June 2010 05:16 PM

Gnostikosis said:
“Would you go and agree to sacrifice your son as God requested of Abraham?  I don’t care if God makes this demand of faith from me. The answer is hell no.”

Why “no?” Because it is simply your emotional, natural instinct to pass on your genes? 

 

If you had a son…....and God ask you to slit his throat….......what would you do?

The reason I said that is because some ethicists say that we make decisions based primarily on emotion, then later try to rationalize it with logic.

Bernie_Dehler - 17 June 2010 05:16 PM

Gnostikosis said:
“Would you go and agree to sacrifice your son as God requested of Abraham?  I don’t care if God makes this demand of faith from me. The answer is hell no.”

Why “no?” Because it is simply your emotional, natural instinct to pass on your genes? 

Because I wouldn’t harm another person without knowing a good reason for it.

We have reason and rationale and I suspect we are meant to use it. I don’t think a person should blindly follow others regardless of who that person is. How you choose to act or not act is your responsibility. You can’t blame it on someone else.

Adam blamed Eve, Eve blamed the Serpent. We make mistakes that’s human. Not taking responsibility for the mistakes we make, that’s sin.

Killing someone without knowing a good reason for it… That’s a mistake. Killing someone knowing it is wrong, that’s evil.

Bernie_Dehler - 18 June 2010 07:38 AM

toombaru - 17 June 2010 06:23 PM

Bernie_Dehler - 17 June 2010 05:16 PM

Gnostikosis said:
“Would you go and agree to sacrifice your son as God requested of Abraham?  I don’t care if God makes this demand of faith from me. The answer is hell no.”

Why “no?” Because it is simply your emotional, natural instinct to pass on your genes? 

 

If you had a son…....and God ask you to slit his throat….......what would you do?

The reason I said that is because some ethicists say that we make decisions based primarily on emotion, then later try to rationalize it with logic.

I don’t think you can throw every individual into the same bucket. For that reason I think it is a little of both. I am more an individualist then religionist or anything else in that I think you have to take each individual on a case by case basis.

I think it depends on an individual’s level of spiritual maturity. We are in an evolutionary process. We are still evolving from a more animal intellect and tend to be ruled by emotion and desires. However I think we are evolving into an intellect and thinking independent from emotion and desire. Not that there is anything wrong with either, but that we begin to naturally make choices based on rationale and reason.

I think a majority of humanity is still spiritually immature so scientific studies is for the most part going to show that. Individually however I believe there are exceptions to the norm. Man is certainly not the height of intellect and reason but I think we are evolving in that direction.

DarronS - 17 June 2010 08:19 PM

asanta - 17 June 2010 08:04 PM

It depends on how well the science can align with their cognitive dissonance.

Perfect.

That aligns perfectly with my concept of God.

Gnostikosis - 18 June 2010 09:58 AM

DarronS - 17 June 2010 08:19 PM

asanta - 17 June 2010 08:04 PM

It depends on how well the science can align with their cognitive dissonance.

Perfect.

That aligns perfectly with my concept of God.

Is it your belief that the creator of the universe can be confined to the conceptual?

toombaru - 18 June 2010 11:03 AM

Gnostikosis - 18 June 2010 09:58 AM

DarronS - 17 June 2010 08:19 PM

asanta - 17 June 2010 08:04 PM

It depends on how well the science can align with their cognitive dissonance.

Perfect.

That aligns perfectly with my concept of God.

 

Is it your belief that the creator of the universe can be confined to the conceptual?

No, I believe I have a concept of God based on personal experience, observation and what science has been able to discover about the universe. That concept maybe to a greater or lesser degree accurate or not at all but I have to base it on what seems to be real to me.

Gnostikosis - 18 June 2010 11:19 AM

toombaru - 18 June 2010 11:03 AM

Gnostikosis - 18 June 2010 09:58 AM

DarronS - 17 June 2010 08:19 PM

asanta - 17 June 2010 08:04 PM

It depends on how well the science can align with their cognitive dissonance.

Perfect.

That aligns perfectly with my concept of God.

 

Is it your belief that the creator of the universe can be confined to the conceptual?

No, I believe I have a concept of God based on personal experience, observation and what science has been able to discover about the universe. That concept maybe to a greater or lesser degree accurate or not at all but I have to base it on what seems to be real to me.

Can you imagine a life with no creator at the center?