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PETITION SENT TO CENTER FOR INQUIRY
Posted: 23 June 2010 02:10 PM   [ Ignore ]
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We, the undersigned, are sending the following statement to CEO Ronald
Lindsay and the Board of the Center for Inquiry.  We do this out of a deep
concern for the present policies and future direction of the Center.  If you agree with our proposal please sign the the petition which follows and send your response to the email reply address of this message:

PETITION TO RONALD LINDSAY AND THE BOARD OF CFI

We believe that all of you and all of us are genuinely interested in and concerned with the future of Humanism.  We also believe that, as Humanists, we should be able to resolve difficult and divisive issues through negotiation and trust.  Therefore we would like to present the following points for discussion:

It is clear from the history of the past two years, and even more
dramatically in the past few months,  that we are critical of
the performance of the Mr. Lindsay and the Board of CFI, both at an
organizational level and a personal one.  We understand
that both Mr. Lindsay and the Board have acted in the belief they were
doing their best in both regards but as you know from
email correspondence we disagree.  It is also clear that the charges and
counter-charges are not in the best interest of the Humanist movement.

We could continue this struggle by communicating our views to the chapter members, donors and the press but realize that this can lead to a kind of internecine warfare which can be seriously detrimental to CFI and will only serve to compound an already difficult financial and organizational problems.  We want to avoid that experience if at all possible.

It is in that tone and spirit that we recommend the following:

Historically, CFI has not had a process which would allow for elections
of Board members. We feel this is an opportune time to change the
organizational structure of CFI to a democratic one, one that would
reflect the will and vote of its supporters.  We think that this change would greatly encourage present followers of CFI to become more involved and supportive of the organization.  It would also signal to the Humanist world and beyond that we are truly a democratic organization.


Mr. Lindsay has, in what seems to be more of a concern for the future of
CFI than his own personal one, offered to resign at the end of the year
if certain fundraising conditions were met by Mr. Kurtz. This effort has apparently failed. However, given the divisiveness (rightly or wrongly) that Mr. Lindsays presence creates he might reconsider that offer and resign in the best interests of the organization.  If he chooses not to do so then a new freely elected Board should make the choice for a CEO once it is installed.  The Board and CEO can then make decisions on policy changes for the newly structured organization.

These are our recommendations.  We hope you will consider them seriously. We can leave behind the unhappy events of the past two years and turn a fresh page in the future of CFI.  It is time we put our disagreements, grievances and personal egos aside and put, as our highest priority,  the future of CFI and Humanism

Please let us know of your response.

Beth Ciesielski
Stan Friedland, Phd.
Hugh Giblin
R. J. Hoffman
Jonathan Kurtz, President, Prometheus Books
Professor Paul Kurtz, philosopher
Vincent Parr, Phd.
Toni Van Pelt

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Posted: 23 June 2010 03:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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oh boy the cat fight is getting hot

So what do you old timers think of this?

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Posted: 23 June 2010 03:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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This is something we shouldn’t get in the middle of.  My personal preference would be to delete that post and this whole thread, but Doug is much more objective and gentle than I am, so we’re probably stuck with this kind of slimy vituperation.

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Posted: 23 June 2010 03:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I think NO! go away, you are all acting like children. You are NOT helping your cause by attempting to undermine Dr. Lindsey, and destroy the credibility of CFI! Grow UP!

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Posted: 23 June 2010 03:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Occam - 23 June 2010 03:34 PM

This is something we shouldn’t get in the middle of.  My personal preference would be to delete that post and this whole thread, but Doug is much more objective and gentle than I am, so we’re probably stuck with this kind of slimy vituperation.

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Slimy vituperation doesn’t begin to describe this post. It was all I could do, not to swear a blue streak in response.

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Posted: 23 June 2010 03:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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asanta - 23 June 2010 03:40 PM

Slimy vituperation doesn’t begin to describe this post. It was all I could do, not to swear a blue streak in response.

ok so where is hugheen to defend his sincerity?

Blowing smoke, or what Mr Hugheen ???

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Posted: 23 June 2010 03:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I agree totally.  Paul Kurtz and his crew have lost all credibility.  Why don’t the rest of them realize that while he may still have charisma, his reason has been severely eroded by his advanced age?

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Posted: 23 June 2010 03:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Again I’m new and uninformed to this circus that seems to be going on…
But, I’m curious who are these people

Beth Ciesielski
Stan Friedland, Phd.
Hugh Giblin
R. J. Hoffman
Jonathan Kurtz, President, Prometheus Books
Professor Paul Kurtz, philosopher
Vincent Parr, Phd.
Toni Van Pelt

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Posted: 23 June 2010 03:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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citizenschallenge - 23 June 2010 03:50 PM

Again I’m new and uninformed to this circus that seems to be going on…
But, I’m curious who are these people

Beth Ciesielski
Stan Friedland, Phd.
Hugh Giblin
R. J. Hoffman
Jonathan Kurtz, President, Prometheus Books
Professor Paul Kurtz, philosopher
Vincent Parr, Phd.
Toni Van Pelt

Personally, if their names are voluntarily attached to this missile,  they have lost credibility too, and frankly, I don’t give a damn.
If you check all of Hugheen’s posts, they are all on this same subject, which makes me believe he is either another reincarnation of Kurtz’ or a seriously deluded lackey.

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Posted: 23 June 2010 04:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Right, they are all either sock puppets or real puppets.

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Posted: 23 June 2010 04:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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I wonder if they are blanketing ALL of the CFI forums with this crap.

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Posted: 23 June 2010 04:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Sudden thought.  Do you think Kurtz and the Boobquake guy are the same?  LOL

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Posted: 23 June 2010 04:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Occam - 23 June 2010 04:07 PM

Sudden thought.  Do you think Kurtz and the Boobquake guy are the same?  LOL

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considering either dialogue…... sounds like a not unbelievable conjecture

sock puppets
I like that, all shadow play and no substance


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Posted: 23 June 2010 04:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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citizenschallenge - 23 June 2010 03:48 PM

OK, So, where is hugheen to defend his sincerity?

Blowing smoke, or what Mr Hugheen ???

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citizenschallenge - 23 June 2010 03:50 PM

Again I’m new and uninformed to this circus that seems to be going on…
But, I’m curious who are these people

Beth Ciesielski
Stan Friedland, Phd.
Hugh Giblin
R. J. Hoffman
Jonathan Kurtz, President, Prometheus Books
Professor Paul Kurtz, philosopher
Vincent Parr, Phd.
Toni Van Pelt

C.C.: At least you have the intellectual integrity to admit it.  The other respondents are clueless.  They think this website is CFI!?!  Paul Kurtz has been an absolutely unparalleled advocate, in the United States and around the world, for the causes of secularism and humanism.    And, having seen and talked to him not so long ago, I can attest that he is in no way impaired by his age, as some have insinuated—with absolutely zero evidence to back it up.  Don’t confuse the stuff that goes on in these forums with the real work that CFI does in attempting to advance the position of the secular humanist community in an extremely hostile, theologically biased, political atmosphere.  You can thank Dr. Kurtz and his founding and managing of CFI for the amazing strides that our community has enjoyed in the face of tremendous opposition.

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While I don’t know Kurtz personally, I’ve attended a few of his talks in the Southern California area.  I recognized that he was quite bright, but I was appalled at his ego and disdain for the people in the audience who asked reasonable questions.  I wasn’t one of them, but I felt sorry for their probable embarrassment at being intellectually sneered at.  I also believe he had a similar problem with the American Humanist Association in the 70s when he left to form the Secular Humanists.  My comments were based on that history and on the posts here, which I felt didn’t fit this forum.  We don’t need the politics and disputes or internecine problems to be aired here.

I may not know the internal workings and machinations of the organization, but I’m not quite clueless, having been an objective outside observer for forty years.

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