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Posted: 05 October 2010 11:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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UlsterScots432 - 13 July 2010 05:45 PM

The whole race industry will be nearly dead in 20 years.  It’s on it’s last legs.

I hope you’re right.  I fear you are wrong. 

Yes, the real racism and bigotry of the past is pretty much gone in the United States.  Granted, there will always be a tiny percentage of true idiot bigots out there - background noise if you will.  But there are no more black and white drinking fountains.  Hell, the U.S. even has a black President - something the allegedly more tolerant nations of old Europe will never see in any of our lifetimes!  wink   

But the Race Card and playing it is one of the pillars of the Democratic Party.  They know that if it goes down, the entire party goes down with it.  So they will fight tooth and nail to try and keep it alive at all costs.  Democrats can’t win elections without it.  All the while they will be calling everyone who disagrees with them on almost anything a “racist.”  It’s really all they have any more.  That and their claims that anyone who disagrees with them wants children to go without medicine, old people to starve and generally hate puppies and kittens.  grin 

Yes, they’ve cried wolf on this issue so many times that us rational people know it’s hardly ever true.  But they have been very successful in creating abject fear in nearly everyone just over the mere claim of someone being “racist,” with or without proof.  Frivolous lawsuits, boycotts and outright blackmail (cough, cough, Jesse Jackson!, cough, cough…) have made this modern day witch hunt one that many people are afraid to stand up and say the Racist Emperor Has No Clothes.  Dissent on the subject is not allowed.  Open and honest dialogue on the subject is not allowed.  You either completely agree with the Democratic Party or they will call you a “racist” and the case is closed to most people because they are afraid.  There is power in that fear they have cultivated. 

Once again, I hope you are right.  But I’m afraid there is just too much money and power to be had by the race pimps of this country.

Meanwhile, the real racism they claim to stand against has pretty much gone the way of the Dodo.  But the actual facts don’t matter.  It’s the perception that is being peddled and wielded with great force and success.

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Posted: 05 October 2010 12:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Rocinante - 05 October 2010 11:48 AM

Hell, the U.S. even has a black President

I was going to say he isn’t black, but then I realized that the “one-drop rule” still probably persists in the minds of most Americans. Funny, supposedly race doesn’t exist, but Obama is black. Go figure!

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Posted: 05 October 2010 01:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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To some, race only applies when it’s convenient to them.

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Posted: 05 October 2010 02:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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George - 05 October 2010 12:13 PM
Rocinante - 05 October 2010 11:48 AM

Hell, the U.S. even has a black President

I was going to say he isn’t black, but then I realized that the “one-drop rule” still probably persists in the minds of most Americans. Funny, supposedly race doesn’t exist, but Obama is black. Go figure!

Personally, I don’t give a damn about that dumb “one-drop rule”.  IMO, Obama is not Black.  At least not just.  He is both Black and White or even better IMO, he is a human being.  First and foremost, he is a human being.  He could be anyone’s distant relative here in the U.S., esp if their ancestors lived in the South over 150 years ago.  That is, if his father wasn’t from Kenya, but even then, some of those relatives at that time could have been kidnapped from their tribe and brought to the U.S. for all we know., but that changes things still, UNLESS you look at his mother’s ancestors.  Which takes us to that picture of that baby Ruat posted.  Personally, I’m not surprised by the picture, esp if the DNA states both are the adults in that picture are her parents.  That tells me, somewhere in BOTH their family trees, there were at least two people, one on both sides, who was of European decent, which is quite possible if their ancestors were slaves- which takes us back to the old terms “white as snow”, “passing for White”, which originated back in that time.  It is not unusual for such things to happen, even among those who are decedents of American Indians- ie “blue-eyed Indian”.  There are even “Black” people who are American Indians- probably decedents of the “Free-man’s Tribe”, who knows, but many tribes took in runaway slaves- not just their own who fell into slavery, but Black slaves.

So, bottom line, what we have, esp in the U.S., is a hodge-podge of human beings who are decedents of many ethnic groups, but people still seem to have a problem with that, even this day and age and instead of seeing them as human first, they see them as their skin colour or the darker parent’s skin colour, which I find very sad and sometimes angering, because when someone says that my sons are Black, I feel like I’m being ignored.  I want to say, “What am I?  Chopped liver?  They have some of my traits, including the American Indian traits, too, you know.”  I feel sorry for Obama’s late mother and her parents, because they are, IMO, being ignored when someone calls President Obama “Black”.  This does not make anyone an Uncle Tom though.  What is makes them is part of a very unique and special group of people who have a comprehension of both sides of the fence when it comes to so-called “race” relations.  Some of them even understand that there is only one race- the human race.

I have yet to see a cat or a dog get into a fight over fur colour.  Most of the time it is over territory or alike, but fur?  Give me a break.  Sometimes other animals have more sense than the human animal, IMO.  It makes more sense to me, to fight for “territory” (one’s home) than it does over the colour of one’s external features.

OK that’s my soapbox for today.  I will now step down off this box and go on with my day’s activities.  (The opinions of this person are not necessarily the opinions… ya-di-da-di-da)

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Posted: 05 October 2010 02:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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External features make different groups easier to pick out and thus scapegoat for your own problems.

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Posted: 05 October 2010 04:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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No, what it means is that when someone white, walks up to me and calls me or my sons a ‘nigger’, and tells us to go back to ‘living in the trees of Africa’,  they do not care how much African ancestry we do or do not have.

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Posted: 05 October 2010 04:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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That too.

And those people need face punchings.  Several of them.  With spiked metal gloves.

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Posted: 05 October 2010 04:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Once again we get into trouble with the different meanings of the term “race.” On one level, it is a social category to which individuals are automatically assigned by other on the basis of appearance and which, in some cases, people may choose for themselves to identify with. It is like, but different from “ethnicity” which may have, but doesn’t have to have, an appearance aspect, and so is harder for others to assign us to. I’m “white” based on appearance, and so’s the guy from Italy and the woman from Saudi Arabia, etc, but my ethnicity, and all the beliefs and traditions associated with that, is very different from theirs.

And then there’s the biological meaning of “race,” which I still think is an ill-defined and mostly meaningless concept (sorry George). Sure, different “races” may on average have genetic differences more salient than those that govern appearance, but these are seldom reliable and predictable given the amount of interacial mixing that has always gone on, taboo or not, and the generally low genetic diversity among human populations compared to other species. And separating these from cultural influences is difficult. Do African Amercians have a higher rate of hypertension than whites because of genes, diet, or socioeconomic status? Yes! Some combination of all of the above plus a healthy dose of the random chance that governs all individual health and life outcomes, making it very questionable to use this sort of finding as evidence for race as a profound and useful biologic category.

So is Obama black? Well, on some level he is because he is assigned that identity by others, and often seems to willingly take it on himself. On other levels, he’s “mixed race.” In any case, the cultural category seems to matter a whole lot more than any biologic use of the term, since it governs how he is viewed and treated and how his actions are judged by others. This is probable the most malignant aspect of the whol race concept; that it leads us to falsely believe we know something useful about someone based on theri appearance.

Is the “race problem” ever going away? I cannot imagine it. If people living in adjacent villages in Ireland can loathe and fight with each other for centuries, making all possible efforts of language and dress and behavior to distinguish themselves as meaningfully and irreconcileably different, then I’m guessing the tendancy to tribalism is pretty deeply ingrained and will find a way to express itself whether there are visible or biologically important differences between groups of people or not.

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Posted: 05 October 2010 05:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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asanta - 05 October 2010 04:09 PM

No, what it means is that when someone white, walks up to me and calls me or my sons a ‘nigger’, and tells us to go back to ‘living in the trees of Africa’,  they do not care how much African ancestry we do or do not have.

Yes and when I get called a “nigger-lover”, it means they don’t care that my sons are 1/2 White from my side.

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Posted: 05 October 2010 05:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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asanta - 05 October 2010 04:09 PM

No, what it means is that when someone white, walks up to me and calls me or my sons a ‘nigger’, and tells us to go back to ‘living in the trees of Africa’,  they do not care how much African ancestry we do or do not have.

My wife is Native American and her ancestors have lived here for thousands of years. I was fortunate to hear someone say to her “go back where you came from”.  It gave me great pleasure to respond to this bigot that she IS where she came from, but that he should go back to where he came from. It was a short exchange.

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Posted: 05 October 2010 06:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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asanta - 05 October 2010 04:09 PM

No, what it means is that when someone white, walks up to me and calls me or my sons a ‘nigger’, and tells us to go back to ‘living in the trees of Africa’,  they do not care how much African ancestry we do or do not have.

My wife is Native American and her ancestors have lived here for thousands of years. I was fortunate to hear someone say to her “go back where you came from”.  It gave me great pleasure to respond to this bigot that she IS where she came from, but that he should go back to where he came from. It was a short exchange.

LOL  That was a good one.  I couldn’t help but laugh.

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Posted: 05 October 2010 08:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Write4U - 05 October 2010 05:57 PM

My wife is Native American and her ancestors have lived here for thousands of years. I was fortunate to hear someone say to her “go back where you came from”.  It gave me great pleasure to respond to this bigot that she IS where she came from, but that he should go back to where he came from. It was a short exchange.

Don’t even let me get started on the bigotry towards Native Americans. I see the same people proudly trumpeting that dear great great was a ‘full blooded tribe X’ spewing bigotry about those (pick your slur), namely, all other Native Americans. I’ve been on reservations, and I’ve never seen one (at least in CA,) that I would want my worst enemy to live on, the squalor is palpable. The number of tribes making a living on casinos is minuscule, and the BLM has been mismanaged and funds misappropriated since its formation. downer It should be a national scandal.

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Posted: 05 October 2010 09:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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asanta - 05 October 2010 08:23 PM
Write4U - 05 October 2010 05:57 PM

My wife is Native American and her ancestors have lived here for thousands of years. I was fortunate to hear someone say to her “go back where you came from”.  It gave me great pleasure to respond to this bigot that she IS where she came from, but that he should go back to where he came from. It was a short exchange.

Don’t even let me get started on the bigotry towards Native Americans. I see the same people proudly trumpeting that dear great great was a ‘full blooded tribe X’ spewing bigotry about those (pick your slur), namely, all other Native Americans. I’ve been on reservations, and I’ve never seen one (at least in CA,) that I would want my worst enemy to live on, the squalor is palpable. The number of tribes making a living on casinos is minuscule, and the BLM has been mismanaged and funds misappropriated since its formation. downer It should be a national scandal.

My chin dropped tonight and then I cracked up laughing my butt off, then I shared it with my boyfriend and he laughed.  My mother finally called after not speaking to me for a couple months due a little bit of a religious temper tantrum on her part with me.  She is the last to know about him and she assumed he was Black and I said, “No, he’s a Secular Jew.”  She said, “That’s not White.”  I almost cracked up laughing, but instead said, “But Mother, he is White.”  She doesn’t call that White.  I told my boyfriend, he laugh too, but added, “It’s not European ancestory.”  True, but I actually thought my mother’s comment was rather ignorant.  Oh brother.  rolleyes  And here I thought she would be tripping about the word Secular.  She didn’t even know what that meant.  She just went with the word Jew and ran with it into ignorance land and all I could do is crack up laughing.  Then the next question after I made the comment that his Modern Hebrew is alike a man speaking French, “Is he American?”  *Shaking head*  “Yes, Mother.  Born and raised.  His father served in WW II and he served in Desert Storm even.”  “Then how does he know Hebrew?  I thought that was a dead language and only used in religious settings.”  The whole thing was a riot.  Not sure how she managed to get all of that out of what I said, but OK.

Joan Rivers about having a baby:  “Is it White?  Oh good!” *Making the action of smoking a cigarette.*

Oy Vey!  My mother is a real trip sometimes, but her own ignorance and bigotry were showing tonight like a sore thumb.  She didn’t even listen to 1/2 of what she was asking.

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asanta - 05 October 2010 04:09 PM

No, what it means is that when someone white, walks up to me and calls me or my sons a ‘nigger’, and tells us to go back to ‘living in the trees of Africa’,  they do not care how much African ancestry we do or do not have.

Yes and when I get called a “nigger-lover”, it means they don’t care that my sons are 1/2 White from my side.

I’m fortunate to live in a very multi-cultural area, so we don’t get a lot of “looks” (particularly because Latinos/Hispanics are more commonly mixed with whites), but my wife has been the subject of racism in various forms from blacks since she arrived 20 years ago.  She’s a public school teacher and said if they could just get black kids to stop using the “N” word, calling Asian-American kids “chinks” and referring to girls and women as “bitches” we’d be 90 percent there. 

Unfortunately, when you see that the current administration isn’t willing to enforce the voting laws as in the Philly case (considered the most “egregious voter intimidation” case by one liberal who worked for RFK), you realize how far we have to go. 

Just keep being who you are.  My kids are beautiful—a mix of AmerIndian and Celtic…can’t be beat !

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Posted: 06 October 2010 05:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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UlsterScots432 - 13 July 2010 05:45 PM

The whole race industry will be nearly dead in 20 years.  It’s on it’s last legs.

I hope you’re right.  I fear you are wrong. 

Yes, the real racism and bigotry of the past is pretty much gone in the United States.  Granted, there will always be a tiny percentage of true idiot bigots out there - background noise if you will.  But there are no more black and white drinking fountains.  Hell, the U.S. even has a black President - something the allegedly more tolerant nations of old Europe will never see in any of our lifetimes!  wink   

But the Race Card and playing it is one of the pillars of the Democratic Party.  They know that if it goes down, the entire party goes down with it.  So they will fight tooth and nail to try and keep it alive at all costs.  Democrats can’t win elections without it.  All the while they will be calling everyone who disagrees with them on almost anything a “racist.”  It’s really all they have any more.  That and their claims that anyone who disagrees with them wants children to go without medicine, old people to starve and generally hate puppies and kittens.  grin 

Yes, they’ve cried wolf on this issue so many times that us rational people know it’s hardly ever true.  But they have been very successful in creating abject fear in nearly everyone just over the mere claim of someone being “racist,” with or without proof.  Frivolous lawsuits, boycotts and outright blackmail (cough, cough, Jesse Jackson!, cough, cough…) have made this modern day witch hunt one that many people are afraid to stand up and say the Racist Emperor Has No Clothes.  Dissent on the subject is not allowed.  Open and honest dialogue on the subject is not allowed.  You either completely agree with the Democratic Party or they will call you a “racist” and the case is closed to most people because they are afraid.  There is power in that fear they have cultivated. 

Once again, I hope you are right.  But I’m afraid there is just too much money and power to be had by the race pimps of this country.

Meanwhile, the real racism they claim to stand against has pretty much gone the way of the Dodo.  But the actual facts don’t matter.  It’s the perception that is being peddled and wielded with great force and success.

Arguably one of the most famous athletes in the world, and clearly in boxing, follows Ali’s lead and goes on a racist tirade against Manny Pacquiao (filipino):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN-4cLGcdAA&feature=related

When we end this kind racism and it is no longer acceptable conduct, we can say racism is over.  Of course, I am still waiting for various groups and people to apologize to the Duke Lacrosse players, who were subject to false allegations by an someone later arrested for child abuse, arson, assault, etc.  The fact that we saw the kind of knee-jerk reaction from the left when the original false allegations were presented by the liar Crystal Mangum, tells me we still have our work cut out for us.

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