Whether it’s young Earth creationism claiming Darwin caused the holocaust, or Hindu mysticism subverting the science of consciousness ala Deepak Chopra’s wacky woo woo, or hippie new-agers thinking their acid induced trips justify a gross misinterpretation of quantum physics & neuro & cosmic science - it’s all apparently lumping together into a pile on one “progressive” “liberal” website known as huffingtonpost.com - run by so-called “liberal” “progressive” noted public personality Arianna Huffington. References to follow.
Krista Tippett, who operates the program “Speaking of Faith” on American Public Media, also known as Minnesota Public Radio - a network that co-exists on many National Public Radio affiliates in the US, is now a “blogger” (or columnist) on huffpo. When her radio program first came on my local station, KUER, I felt like my station had been hijacked… Like my station was now an advocate for religion and forced respect for religion - whereas in the past that job had been left to the Bible beater stations run by Christian Evangelicals.
Before and after the recent election of Obama I had been using Arianna Huffington’s huffingtonpost.com. But the site has gone down hill, and is often shallow - wading in the trivialities of celebrities I care nothing about. However they recently added a religion section and in that section they claim that they are having a “contemporary discussion on religion & science,” as per the large banner graphics they put at the top of relevant articles.
Krista Tippett recently posted an article in their religion section, claiming that Einstein’s “awe” was “religious awe.” I posted a pointed comment in response. That comment was blocked. I then posted a toned down comment. My second comment was blocked. Then I received a condescending email from a moderator there stating that “bloggers” such as Tiippett could censor comments on their “blogs” as they saw fit. The so-called blogs on that site are really more like online newspaper columns.
I’ll provide more references below. But all this leaves me wondering and perhaps answering what happens when one side & then another tries to force science to give an answer they WANT it to give, rather than just accepting the answer that it DOES give.
———————————copy of letter send to the management of huffpo - with relevant references
To the management of Huffingtonpost and to Ms. Huffington:
Traditionally the words liberal and progressive coincided with an advocacy for reason and science - for the fruits of the Enlightenment.
But on your site there are at least three examples where you’re allowing a corrosive force on what has come to us via science being a better fact finder than religion:
The large banner in the religion section says you’re having a contemporary discussion. That’s not really the case. You may be having a shouting match between preferred bloggers who don’t directly respond to each other much, but you aren’t having a discussion really because your current comment censorship policy won’t allow for it.
When even the toned down version of my comment on Tippett & her article on Einstein & god wouldn’t pass muster, that shows that the “moderators” are going too far.
If a crucible, a crucible necessary for progress & democracy & real science, is present, then everything other than expletives or real physical threats should usually be allowed. Beyond that, if you’re going to allow in the first instance unchallenged balderdash which is unsupported by real science & reason, and then in the second instance silence via censoring even the two comments like mine - you aren’t having a “contemporary discussion” about religion nor science.
Here are some harsher criticisms of the current situation with your site:
And some further criticisms of Tippett:
Usually people who’ve had a soft experience with religion have no concept of what it’s like to be in a real religion - and these soft fluffy religious types will actively exclude from the table those of us with actual knowledge about the real situation.
If you value my opinion and the similar opinions of others then you’ll change your comment policy to allow for real honest authentic responses to these religious-nose-under-the-tent-of-science-and-reason people - on their own so-called blogs.
You call them blogs, but they really aren’t. They are columns. And the columns have a comment section. If the comment section is heavily censored, which it apparently is, and censored to not allow for real honest authentic responses to what is claimed and to the wider issues at hand, then all you have really is an echo chamber - and one which does a great disservice to what has traditionally been the purview of the “progressive left.”
If the progressive left now embraces “creation science,” and the idea that Einstein had “religious awe” rather than just plan old “awe,” and the idea that quantum physics somehow allows consciousness to control physical reality - another bogus claim…
We need to know what is real - and your site isn’t helping. You’re walking along a path which leads right into the hands of Bible belt idiots who teach their kids a type of shallow-facade-of-science that claims that the Earth is really 6000 years old, or the similar idiocy that when we go to sleep the moon ceases to exist (as per Deepak Chopra’s wacky claims).
There’s only so much “editing” a person can do to who they are. Maybe you’ve chosen your “preferred” people who can speak. But don’t pretend you have a comment section, and don’t pretend to be a progressive blogging & news site, (as is claimed on the radio program “Left Right & Center” that Arianna appears on), if you are going to in the first instance have speakers-of-trash about science & reason on, and then no allowance of those of us with different and more concrete evidence & views & history to speak.
—————————end of quote of my comments to the operators of huffingtonpost.com
And now here’s the first comment I made which was blocked, which was in response to
And before I quote it here’s a reference to the Deepak Chopra woo woo issue. The dude gets really angry and aggravated when he’s challenged.
and a list of the 12 videos:
——————-quote of original comment censored by huffpo Krista Tippett authorized “moderators” - and a toned down version was censored as well
Clearly Ms. Tippett has spent zero time in any real hard core religion, like Mormonism or Islam.
Einstein approached science itself with innate awe - NOT religious awe.
Ms. Tippett has her public radio program “Speaking of Faith.” It is infinitely annoying, and apparently seeks subvert tax money to pay for religious advocacy. Her work is full of fuzzy thinking, wrong conclusions, inappropriate correlations, and whitewashing.
Religion was our fist attempt to find answers to key questions. Because it was our first attempt it was wrong on most if not all points. The history of science & religion shows that science is a better method of separating fact from fiction.
On one of Ms. Tippett’s shows she said that some could say that God is Sex. That is the only thing we could agree on. Yes, the only God worth worshiping is sex. I can agree with that. But that’s not the God of Mormonism (an angry Santa Clause god who had sex with Mary the Mother of Jesus, who hates masturbation, but had his prophets sleep with 14 year olds), nor the God of Islam who came to Mohammad, nor the God of Catholicism who allows little boys to be raped by His anointed servants en masse, and so on.
Let’s work to define what we mean by “religion” and “god” before we continue. Who’s religion? Who’s god? Which god?
No, Einstein doesn’t validate YOUR god, if your god is not Spinoza’s god. Look it up.
—-end of quote of more pointed comment
I think the bottom line is that fuzzy lazy wacky politically correct anally retentive stuffy nosed thinking on the left, apparently leads to a welcoming atmosphere to ALL that is wacky and that subverts what science shows. Your pet theory that came from your acid trip, or from your Bible thumping class, or from your Hindu mountain top visit - none of it is automatically justified by science. Science is a method, and it will show what it will show. So far, it doesn’t justify mystical metaphysical supernatural claims. If it did it would. It doesn’t. So let’s find out what’s really real. And also CALL OUT corrosive idiots to seek to silence the authentic life experiences of those of us who’ve had real hard core experiences with religion.