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Burning the Koran
Posted: 08 September 2010 09:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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I think you are being far too subtle for them, George.  LOL

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Posted: 08 September 2010 01:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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George - 08 September 2010 09:16 AM

Maybe they should just hit the books with their shoes. Who needs fire?

As long as they know to hit with the soles of the shoes! They can get more mileage out of it..they can reuse the same korans day after day after day!! This ‘minister’ has been disavowed/disowned by his own children, who say he was kicked out of his last church for stealing from the till.

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Posted: 08 September 2010 01:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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asanta - 08 September 2010 01:34 PM
George - 08 September 2010 09:16 AM

Maybe they should just hit the books with their shoes. Who needs fire?

As long as they know to hit with the soles of the shoes! They can get more mileage out of it..they can reuse the same korans day after day after day!! This ‘minister’ has been disavowed/disowned by his own children, who say he was kicked out of his last church for stealing from the till.

That’s okay Asanta… Gawd told him to do it, so all is well. smile

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Posted: 08 September 2010 06:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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What amazes me is that everyone is focused on the wrong things - separation of church and state, or First Amendment rights.  A much easier way to handle this is to recognize that his threat has already put both U.S soldiers and U.S. civilians in grave danger.  As such he should immediately be locked up for treason.

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Posted: 08 September 2010 06:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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As I understand Supreme Court rulings (which admittedly is not much) speech that inspires violence is not protected. Also, the guy does not have a burn permit. With any luck the local police will arrest this idiot before he starts another jihad.Then the local DA can proceed with treason charges. Does treason still carry the death penalty?

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Posted: 08 September 2010 06:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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I can see it now….put the idiot behind bars and ‘prove’ Obama is a muslim! All of the quackpot loonie teapotters will then rally behind him and make him their hero/martyr/saint!

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Posted: 08 September 2010 06:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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It can be the local police chief who arrests him, or if he had any cojones, the Republican governor of Florida could order it.

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Posted: 08 September 2010 11:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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One thing that makes me mad/sad/frustrated/enraged is that, yet again, ALL of this comes down to people who attempt to justify their promises of violence by the mere fact that they’re ‘offended’.

I, of course, realize that practically speaking, we must treat it as a ‘given’, but I can’t tell you how much I HATE the fact that we have to.  Yes, we could easily supply a valid explanation as to why such a reaction isn’t justifiable and shouldn’t be tolerated…....but ‘reasoning’ is basically irrelevant here, isn’t it?

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Posted: 09 September 2010 09:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Axegrrl - 08 September 2010 11:20 PM

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One thing that makes me mad/sad/frustrated/enraged is that, yet again, ALL of this comes down to people who attempt to justify their promises of violence by the mere fact that they’re ‘offended’.

I, of course, realize that practically speaking, we must treat it as a ‘given’, but I can’t tell you how much I HATE the fact that we have to.  Yes, we could easily supply a valid explanation as to why such a reaction isn’t justifiable and shouldn’t be tolerated…....but ‘reasoning’ is basically irrelevant here, isn’t it?

Sad, sad…....


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I was thinking the same thing. Someone burning a book has no affect on me. I couldn’t care less. However people are taught through religion to take offense at the event and we have to deal with the reality of that.

I would like to be the first to preach tolerance, however a religion (any religion) that teaches people to be offended by what someone else does which does no direct real harm to them? To the point of being willing to kill and destroy property?

So we abandon the principle of free speech because of the reaction caused by religious teachings? I mean how much of our principles do we abandon to pacify the religiously offended?

Jones is an idiot however in the US he has a right to burn the Koran. Do we continue to support free speech whatever the cost or do we let religion continue to dictate what is right and wrong?

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Posted: 09 September 2010 09:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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DarronS - 08 September 2010 06:33 PM

As I understand Supreme Court rulings (which admittedly is not much) speech that inspires violence is not protected. Also, the guy does not have a burn permit. With any luck the local police will arrest this idiot before he starts another jihad.Then the local DA can proceed with treason charges. Does treason still carry the death penalty?

So if Christians go on a rampage killing abortion doctors because of a pro-choice speech?

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Posted: 09 September 2010 10:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Gnostikosis - 09 September 2010 09:49 AM

So if Christians go on a rampage killing abortion doctors because of a pro-choice speech?

I used the wrong word above. I should have used “advocates” instead of “inspires.”

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Posted: 09 September 2010 11:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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DarronS - 09 September 2010 10:05 AM
Gnostikosis - 09 September 2010 09:49 AM

So if Christians go on a rampage killing abortion doctors because of a pro-choice speech?

I used the wrong word above. I should have used “advocates” instead of “inspires.”

A religious leader that advocates(promotes?) violence.

This preacher says he does not advocate violence. According to him it is a protest against the violence of 9/11.

He is not advocating violence. The individual Islamic leaders are. Which are in another country and we can’t prosecute.

He personally is not telling anyone to commit violence. However his actions will cause others to.

The exception to free speech example is yelling “fire” in a crowded theater. There maybe an argument there.

However, if in equating Islam to a crowded theater scenario then any radical religious teachings can be used as a limiting factor to free speech. Religion gains power that can be used against free speech.

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Posted: 09 September 2010 11:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Hey, did anyone see Jon Stewart’s take on this last night?  He was spot-on, as usual.

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Posted: 09 September 2010 11:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Exactly Gnostikosis. I say let him burn them. Are we all supposed to cower and restrict our demonstrative applications because of “a possible violent backlash” from religious extremists?
So if muslim initiated violence happens after this preachers demonstration we can blame the preacher not the whacko suicide murderers who know no boundaries?
Should I stop eating pork chops now?

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Posted: 09 September 2010 11:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Sam Harris needs to hurry up with the invention of his moralmeter to tell us if the pastor should be allowed to burn the books. In the meantime I am with Vyazma: let him burn them.

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