domokato - 22 September 2010 11:21 AM

Gnostikosis - 22 September 2010 09:22 AM

What I heard today was the Pastor didn’t agree with Obama but felt he couldn’t stand up against the pressure the administration was applying.

I call BS on him. What pressure? Appeals to reason and national security?

(Personally, I would appeal to not being a hypocritical douche)

Whether true or not in this specific incident I think it is reasonable to suggest that powerful people can apply pressure without it being physical! I’m not even American and I think it would be quite daunting to go up against Clinton & Obama in what would probably amount to a war of words.

Keke

I imagine what really happened was that he started getting a LOT of death threats from ‘outraged’ muslims, and is trying to placate them while saving face. After all, the woman who suggested a simple ‘draw Muhammed day’ is still in hiding from death threats. He is just foisting off the blame.

Nah, I think he has too much ego to be frightened of death threats.  More likely, he expected to get a whole batch of positive publicity and contributions from the anti-moslem press and citizens.  He wasn’t expecting the much greater negative publicity he got, and the fact that his website was closed by the supplier.  I believe that’s why he backed off.

Occam

Kyuuketsuki UK - 22 September 2010 12:37 PM

I think it is reasonable to suggest that powerful people can apply pressure without it being physical!
I’m not even American and I think it would be quite daunting to go up against Clinton & Obama in what would probably amount to a war of words.

Keke

Oh, give me a break, that’s exactly what he is/was looking for.

citizenschallenge.pm - 22 September 2010 08:05 PM

Kyuuketsuki UK - 22 September 2010 12:37 PM

I think it is reasonable to suggest that powerful people can apply pressure without it being physical!
I’m not even American and I think it would be quite daunting to go up against Clinton & Obama in what would probably amount to a war of words.

Keke

Oh, give me a break, that’s exactly what he is/was looking for.

It IS daunting to go up against people like that (hell it’s daunting enough to go up against my far more verbally able wife let alone someone backed by the entire US state machinery) and that was my only point.

Keke

DarronS - 08 September 2010 06:33 PM

As I understand Supreme Court rulings (which admittedly is not much) speech that inspires violence is not protected. Also, the guy does not have a burn permit. With any luck the local police will arrest this idiot before he starts another jihad.Then the local DA can proceed with treason charges. Does treason still carry the death penalty?

Dude, you can’t be serious.  The 1st Amendment is precisely to protect unpopular speech (and expressions thereof).  The resulting “violence” isn’t the measure of whether or not it’s protected.  MLK’s marches incited violence (which in turn, inspired people to more closely look at the racist behavior that caused that violence). 

Your supplication to Islam, through political correctness, is exactly what they are aiming at.  So now, the only standard is “they might be violent” if we do this? (X)???

I’ve thought, what if I took a picture of someone burning the Koran, and posted it saying “This is a good thing”...should I be arrested?  Should I be murdered?  How about a fatwa, like on someone who say, writes a book that criticizes Islam? 

All of you (liberal) secular humanists are missing the point.  THERE IS NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT ISLAM except for your reaction to it.  If this was a guy burning a bible or an American flag, or dipping the “piss christ” you not only wouldn’t care, you’d be supporting him. 

Listen closely to those that have fled Islam (and have warrants on their heads), the extremists are banking on you doing exactly what you are doing.  Bit by bit, they are achieving their goal of banning what they call ‘defamation’ of Islam. 

Darron, when they win over a guy like you, on this issue, we are doomed.  Every time we turn around, now and in the future, it will be “but this will be a recruiting tool for Al-Queda”...“oh, don’t do that, that will really piss off young muslim men”, etc etc etc.  So we live our lives based on what “Islam” might “do” to us?  (not to mention, what “islam” in foreign countries, people outside of this nation, think of us?).

It has already started, but you watch, in the coming years…eventually it will be “how DARE a judge say we cannot lash our daughter for being in a car with a man who was not her brother at 10 a.m.”  Coming soon to Detroit, Patterson, NJ, etc (soon to be “no go” zones).

F#%K ! ! !  wake up my liberal friends.  wake up

Ulsterscots, after posting that I thought about it and you are right. I succumbed to group think. As much as I abhor this idiot’s idea of burning the Koran, he has the right to do so under our Constitution. We have to protect offensive speech or we risk losing all our rights to free speech.

Let’s burn physics books on 9/11/11. 

psik