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Posted: 16 February 2011 08:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 151 ]
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psikeyhackr - 16 February 2011 07:41 PM

Science is an abstraction.  It does not have any goals.  Human beings pursue goals and may have science as an ideal.

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You don’t really believe that.

Great, you know how I think better than I do.

What have I said about the word BELIEVE?

http://www.angelfire.com/journal/worldtour99/sapirwhorf.html

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Posted: 16 February 2011 08:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 152 ]
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psikeyhackr - 16 February 2011 08:17 PM

What have I said about the word BELIEVE?

psik

Right here:

psikeyhackr - 09 February 2011 07:10 PM

I REFUSE TO BELIEVE ANYTHING.

It was only one week ago. Have you forgotten already?

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Posted: 16 February 2011 08:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 153 ]
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DarronS - 16 February 2011 08:22 PM
psikeyhackr - 16 February 2011 08:17 PM

What have I said about the word BELIEVE?

psik

Right here:

psikeyhackr - 09 February 2011 07:10 PM

I REFUSE TO BELIEVE ANYTHING.

It was only one week ago. Have you forgotten already?

I have to cope with the fact that most people don’t use the word believe the way I do so what exactly are you trying to say?

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Posted: 16 February 2011 08:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 154 ]
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psikeyhackr - 16 February 2011 08:26 PM

I have to cope with the fact that most people don’t use the word believe the way I do so what exactly are you trying to say?

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“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.”

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Posted: 16 February 2011 10:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 155 ]
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Occam. - 16 February 2011 04:57 PM

Oh geez, more psuedoscientific (and I’m being generous) drivel from
someone who has no scientific background or understanding.
Sorry, Socratus, but those points are complete babble and make
no scientific sense whatsoever. 
If you got this from some other source you should go back
and demand that they explain what they think all that silliness is.

Occam

MY SOURCE.
  -  What is the Source of the Universe ? 
  Where did Existence come from?
===========================.
# Now we have three ( 3) sources of the Universe:
Big bang , vacuum and God.
Which of them is correct ?

About big band and God my opinion is:
the action, when the God compressed all Universe
into his palm, physicists had named -a singular point
And action, when the God opened his palm,
physicists had named - the Big Bang
=.
And about vacuum Paul Dirac wrote:
‘ The problem of the exact description of vacuum, in my opinion, 
is the basic problem now before physics. Really, if you can’t correctly
describe the vacuum, how it is possible to expect a correct description
of something more complex? ‘
==========.
# In the book “Evolution of Physics” Einstein and Infeld wrote:
“ We have the laws, but we are not aware what the body
of reference system they belong to,  and all our physical
construction appears erected on sand ”.
They are right. Why?
Because :
The Universe ( as a whole ) is Two- Measured,
there are two Worlds: Vacuum and Gravity.
They are Parallel Worlds.
What was before Vacuum or Gravity ?
Does Gravity exist in Vacuum or vice versa?
No answer.
== .
  Fact and Speculation.
1.
Fact.
The detected material mass of the matter in the Universe is so small
(the average density of all substance in the Universe is approximately
  p=10^-30 g/sm^3) that it cannot ‘close’ the Universe into sphere and
therefore our Universe as whole is ‘open’, endless Vacuum.
But what to do with the infinite Universe the physicists don’t know.
The concept of infinite/ eternal means nothing
to a scientists.  They do not understand how they could
draw any real, concrete conclusions from this characteristic.
A notions of ‘more, less, equally, similar ’ could not
be conformed to a word infinity or eternity.
The Infinity / Eternity is something, that has no borders,
has no discontinuity; it could not be compared to anything.
Considering so, scientists came to conclusion that the
infinity/eternity defies to a physical and mathematical definition
and cannot be considered in real processes.
Therefore they have proclaimed the strict requirement
(on a level of censor of the law):
« If we want that the theory would be correct,
the infinity/eternity should be eliminated » .
Thus they direct all their mathematical abilities,
all intellectual energy to the elimination of infinity.
Therefore they invented an abstract ‘dark matter and dark energy’.
They say: ‘ 90% or more of the matter in the Universe is unseen.’
And nobody knows what it is.
2.
Speculation.
Unknown ‘dark matter ‘ it is matter which makes up the difference
between observed mass of a galaxies and calculated mass……
which….will …’close ‘ ….the Universe into sphere,  as …….
as……the astrophysicists want.
Question:
How can the 99% of the Hidden ( dark ) matter in the Universe
create the 1% of the Visible matter ?
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# Now it is considered that Newton / Einstein’s laws of gravitation
are basis of physics, the first laws / source of Universe.
But the detected material mass of the matter in the Universe
is so small that gravitation field, as whole, doesn’t work
in the Universe.
So, the Newton / Einstein’s laws of gravitation are correct only
in the small and local part of Universe and we cannot take them
as the first ones.
What can the first law of the Universe be?
All galaxies , all gravitation fields exist in Vacuum (T=0K).
Gravitational effects took place only in a small area of Infinite Vacuum.
It is impossible to use GRT to the Universe as a whole.
Vacuum is “ The first law of the Universe.”
The Physics first of all is Aether / Vacuum. 
Vacuum is the Source of the Universe . 
Vacuum is the Absolute Reference Frame.
Without Eternal, Infinite Vacuum Physics makes no sense.
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik.  Socratus.
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Posted: 16 February 2011 10:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 156 ]
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If you got this from some other source you should go back
and demand that they explain what they think all that silliness is.

my source, My Source!  GOD IS MY SOURCE shock

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Posted: 17 February 2011 10:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 157 ]
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Geez, it’s pretty bad when the poster doesn’t understand the meaning of the request for a source.  This person is obviously very poorly educated and just following blindly the drivel some power-hungry pastor is feeding him.

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Posted: 17 February 2011 10:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 158 ]
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Do you think one can get a degree in infinite vacuum physics?

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Posted: 17 February 2011 11:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 159 ]
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The_Au_Mean - 17 February 2011 10:42 AM

Do you think one can get a degree in infinite vacuum physics?

I don’t know however vacuum physics seems an area of active scientific investigation…

http://www.braungardt.com/Physics/Vacuum Fluctuation.htm

Hmm sorry can’t get the link to work…

There is supposed to be a percent sign “%” and the number “20” after Vacuum and before Fluctuations but it won’t show if typed into the link.

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Posted: 17 February 2011 12:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 160 ]
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socratus - 16 February 2011 10:24 PM

MY SOURCE.
  -  What is the Source of the Universe ? 
  Where did Existence come from?
===========================.
# Now we have three ( 3) sources of the Universe:
Big bang , vacuum and God.
Which of them is correct ?


Israel Sadovnik.  Socratus.
===============.

Apparently vacuum seems to be currently the best answer.

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Posted: 17 February 2011 01:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 161 ]
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Can’t argue with his logic. Well you could, but you might as well debate with a 3 year old on macroeconomics. I know when I was 3 I liked vacuums.

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Posted: 17 February 2011 01:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 162 ]
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Gnostikosis - 17 February 2011 12:04 PM
socratus - 16 February 2011 10:24 PM

MY SOURCE.
  -  What is the Source of the Universe ? 
  Where did Existence come from?
===========================.
# Now we have three ( 3) sources of the Universe:
Big bang , vacuum and God.
Which of them is correct ?


Israel Sadovnik.  Socratus.
===============.

Apparently vacuum seems to be currently the best answer.

The three sources listed are misleading IMO.

a) Big Bang is the beginning, not the source.
b) Vacuum = 1): emptiness of space,  2): a space absolutely devoid of matter
c) God has no meaning in science, thus cannot be considered a candidate.

There is only one “known” common denominator and precursor to Reality. i.e. Potential (that which may become reality).

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Posted: 17 February 2011 03:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 163 ]
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Write4U - 17 February 2011 01:52 PM

There is only one “known” common denominator and precursor to Reality. i.e. Potential (that which may become reality).

Well that sounds profound grin

I think I’ll name God Potential.
(that which may become reality)

I mean if I every decide to start a religious belief. Close to a Hebrew translation I think. “I am that which I will be”.

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Posted: 17 February 2011 03:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 164 ]
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Gnostikosis - 17 February 2011 03:06 PM
Write4U - 17 February 2011 01:52 PM

There is only one “known” common denominator and precursor to Reality. i.e. Potential (that which may become reality).

Well that sounds profound grin

I think I’ll name God Potential.
(that which may become reality)

I mean if I every decide to start a religious belief. Close to a Hebrew translation I think. “I am that which I will be”.

There you go!.... cheese

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Posted: 17 February 2011 05:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 165 ]
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Gnostikosis - 17 February 2011 03:06 PM
Write4U - 17 February 2011 01:52 PM

There is only one “known” common denominator and precursor to Reality. i.e. Potential (that which may become reality).

Well that sounds profound grin

I think I’ll name God Potential.
(that which may become reality)

I mean if I every decide to start a religious belief. Close to a Hebrew translation I think. “I am that which I will be”.

One minor correction,  “I am that which may become real”.  Obviously I cannot already be that which I will become.

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