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Good Reference: Annotated Bible, Koran, Book of Mormon
Posted: 05 October 2011 10:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 136 ]
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I know this horse has been whipped to death but I wanted to add that both the christians and the muslims base their belief system on a collection of works not written by either Jesus or Muhammad. The earliest Christian writing is that of Paul in 50 AD and later, Mark in 78 AD. The earliest known Islamic writing is 767 AD and Muhammad died in 632. I often wonder why believers don’t seem even a bit skeptical about the religious rumminations of their later followers. I guess that’s why they call it faith. Anyway, we’re not going to shake them from the fog of religion by railing at the written inconsistancies of their “holy” writings, but through reason. If they reject that then there’s nothing further we can do for them. All we can do is insist that their belief system doesn’t spill over into the law or effect the culture in a negative way. By that I mean ex. the degredation of women, blocking pro-choice or teaching ID in the schools among others.

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Posted: 08 October 2011 06:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 137 ]
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Occam - 18 November 2009 06:26 PM

I hate to repeat myself, Ray, but I believe it’s a waste of time discussing whether or not quotations from the Koran can be found on which to base your beliefs, because that implies that the Koran is, in any way, meaningful.  Before using quotations from it as the basis for your ideas, you have to show that it was really written by some supreme being rather than by a variety of men over the ages. 

Until you can convince me otherwise, I see the Koran and the Bible as merely collections of fairytales, morality stories, and unproven, pseudo-history written over centuries by priests of various types, but no input from any “supreme being” and therefore of little or no value. 

It is not my job to prove the Koran is wrong or absurd.  Since you accept it as truth, it’s your job to prove that it’s true.

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Posted: 25 October 2011 08:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 138 ]
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The Mormon’s just dropped by, we had a little chat, they were polite so I was too.  I was comparing the history that I’ve heard about them to the history that the Mormons teach to their children.  Apparently, the Mormons and John Smith were the victims every single time that they visited a town to move to.  Who would have guess that?  rolleyes  ( I’ve heard that they invaded Independence, MO with their army of people who believed that is was the new Zion, and invaded some other towns too.)  So I just thought I’d post their Book of Mormons just in case you want to read up on them for when they come to talk to you.  smile

Art telling the history of the Jews who lived in America in 600 B.C.E.  Be prepared.  Why do those Jews look so West Europe, not Mediterranean?  Oh well.  :shrug:

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Posted: 26 October 2011 10:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 139 ]
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I don’t agree with thier theology but they put on a show in Palmra NY every year that is worth seeing.

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Posted: 26 October 2011 03:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 140 ]
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And Hollywood was also created by humans, to meet human needs and accomplish human ends.  The Oscars cheese

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Posted: 26 October 2011 07:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 141 ]
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Yeah the Mormon Tabernacle Choir does a very good job singing for Christmas, now-a-days.  smile  But those old stories of John Smith, the golden plates, and angel Moroni rolleyes, sad that when most people did not believe those stories that wanted to get rid of the people who did believed the stories.  Sad again that as John Smith moved on to this or that town, he had guns loaded and ready to fire.  The history is amazing and crazy, check it out Americans.

And soon Mitt Romney might be President.

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Posted: 26 November 2011 09:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 142 ]
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Doug, you could have sent this link to me on a piece of paper, in a gift wrapped box, as a Christmas present and I would have been equally grateful.

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Posted: 27 November 2011 05:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 143 ]
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ExMachina - 26 November 2011 09:30 PM

Doug, you could have sent this link to me on a piece of paper, in a gift wrapped box, as a Christmas present and I would have been equally grateful.

Very welcome. It’s a fun site to browse.

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Posted: 14 July 2012 04:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 144 ]
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omer - 14 July 2012 03:50 PM

I think HOllY Quraan is mostly repeater and more readable holy book. i prefer reading Quraan because i know well about Arabic.so i can better understand when i read it.

I suggest you read this also

http://www.nairaland.com/121066/predominantly-atheist-countries-lowest-crime

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Posted: 15 July 2012 03:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 145 ]
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omer - 14 July 2012 03:50 PM

I think HOllY Quraan is mostly repeater and more readable holy book. i prefer reading Quraan because i know well about Arabic.so i can better understand when i read it.

I suggest you read this also

http://www.nairaland.com/121066/predominantly-atheist-countries-lowest-crime

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Posted: 16 October 2012 04:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 146 ]
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Way cool: the Skeptics’ Annotated Bible is coming out with a hardcover version. See HERE!

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Posted: 10 December 2012 09:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 147 ]
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Great for debunking Biblical Literalists and Inerrantists… not much good for anything else.

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Posted: 11 December 2012 10:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 148 ]
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In other words, similar to your opinions

not much good for anything else.

? LOL

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Posted: 05 September 2014 02:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 149 ]
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Write4U - 14 July 2012 04:04 PM
omer - 14 July 2012 03:50 PM

I think HOllY Quraan is mostly repeater and more readable holy book. i prefer reading Quraan because i know well about Arabic.so i can better understand when i read it.

I suggest you read this also

http://www.nairaland.com/121066/predominantly-atheist-countries-lowest-crime

Tried to go back to the original source but I think the page was removed.
So there is no telling who actually wrote this article.  Really was an interesting read though so thanks for sharing smile

I did notice a number of errors though

The article was correct about Japan and its atheism and low crime

However, it claims that

Next in line are the Norwegians, British, Germans and Dutch… fewer than one in three are convinced that there is a deity.

This is not correct. 

British estimates of not believing in God range from 30-44%.  10% say they are agnostic
Norwegian estimates for agnostic or athiest range from 31-54%
Estimates of Germany are true only for the eastern region.  As a whole, it comes close 60%
The Dutch agnostic/atheist rangess from 39-44%
http://www.pitzer.edu/academics/faculty/zuckerman/Ath-Chap-under-7000.pdf

These are huge populations, but is it 2/3 s.  No.  It is more often a 50-50 scenario

Some other facts that pose some problems:


Switzerland has one of the lowest crime rates in the world yet 17-27% are atheist/agnostic
http://www.pitzer.edu/academics/faculty/zuckerman/Ath-Chap-under-7000.pdf


Saudi Arabia also has one of the lowest crimes in the world. Professor Shepyicki of York university went so far as to say
]Most scholars attribute the low Saudi Arabian crime rate mainly to the strong influence of Islam
Transnational and comparative criminology
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=most+scholars+attribute+the+low+arabian+Saudi+arabian&gws_rd=ssl

Now this is not enough to prove much.    More variables need to be studied and even in the case where most criminologists were in agreement(Saudi Arabia),
that was only one religion out of the dozens that exist.

More info is needed before anything conclusive can be seen.

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Posted: 05 September 2014 02:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 150 ]
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I just looked at the date of when this conversation took place   :(

For some reason, this conversation showed up when I was searching for recent conversations.
.... Unless I confused it for another type of search

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