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Posted: 03 November 2010 06:51 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Bruce Gorton - 03 November 2010 06:41 AM

What element of the “primitive culture” is it that leads to a belief in witchcraft?

Low intelligence.

Edited to not move/split, but original post has been left untouched. ~ Mriana

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Posted: 03 November 2010 06:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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George - 03 November 2010 06:51 AM
Bruce Gorton - 03 November 2010 06:41 AM

What element of the “primitive culture” is it that leads to a belief in witchcraft?

Low intelligence.

Outright racism.

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Posted: 03 November 2010 07:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Bruce Gorton - 03 November 2010 06:57 AM
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Bruce Gorton - 03 November 2010 06:41 AM

What element of the “primitive culture” is it that leads to a belief in witchcraft?

Low intelligence.

Outright racism.

Liberal brainwashing.

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Posted: 03 November 2010 07:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Bruce Gorton - 03 November 2010 06:57 AM
George - 03 November 2010 06:51 AM
Bruce Gorton - 03 November 2010 06:41 AM

What element of the “primitive culture” is it that leads to a belief in witchcraft?

Low intelligence.

Outright racism.

He probably should have said or meant, lack of education.

Still we have plenty of people in the US that are educated and still hold primitive beliefs. As been pointed out several times, it would be very difficult for an openly atheistic canidate to get elected in America.

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Posted: 03 November 2010 07:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Gnostikosis - 03 November 2010 07:19 AM

He probably should have said or meant, lack of education.

No, I meant low intelligence. The average IQ of Uganda is 73. That’s four points away from mental retardation.

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Posted: 03 November 2010 08:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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George - 03 November 2010 07:28 AM
Gnostikosis - 03 November 2010 07:19 AM

He probably should have said or meant, lack of education.

No, I meant low intelligence. The average IQ of Uganda is 73. That’s four points away from mental retardation.

Intelligence is greatly influenced by early age development. I’d suspect poorer countries have limited resources to stimulate mental development. By age 7, it is probably impossible to recover from an environment lacking sufficient mental stimulation.

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Posted: 03 November 2010 08:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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George - 03 November 2010 07:28 AM

Even if you were right—which you’re not—it still changes nothing about the fact that a large portion of Uganda’s population has a very low intelligence.

  While I agree with you that most (or all) of the person’s upper limit of intelligence is genetically determined, there are a great many factors which can degrade the person’s neural capabilities. Oxygen deprivation while in the womb or at birth can have a major destructive effect, low protein diet while the brain is developing, vitamin deficient diets, low calorie diets which mean the small amount of protein has to be used by more essential organs such as the liver and heart, lack of any mental stimulation as a small child so that logic and reasoning circuits are not developed, are just a few of the possible causes for low intelligence that have little to do with the genetic upper limitations.

I don’t know anything about the average intelligence of Uganda’s citizens, but I doubt that one could state without a great deal of long term testing to eliminate the other causes listed above, that if it’s low. it’s because of genetics.

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I’m completely confused by this post.  I wrote it in response to George, but the post appears to be attributed to George.  Very strange.

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Posted: 03 November 2010 09:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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George - 03 November 2010 08:50 AM
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George - 03 November 2010 07:28 AM
Gnostikosis - 03 November 2010 07:19 AM

He probably should have said or meant, lack of education.

No, I meant low intelligence. The average IQ of Uganda is 73. That’s four points away from mental retardation.

Intelligence is greatly influenced by early age development. I’d suspect poorer countries have limited resources to stimulate mental development. By age 7, it is probably impossible to recover from an environment lacking sufficient mental stimulation.

Even if you were right—which you’re not—it still changes nothing about the fact that a large portion of Uganda’s population has a very low intelligence.

Ok, well we disagree, however it would mean something could be done about it.

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Posted: 03 November 2010 09:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Gnostikosis - 03 November 2010 09:09 AM
George - 03 November 2010 08:50 AM
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George - 03 November 2010 07:28 AM
Gnostikosis - 03 November 2010 07:19 AM

He probably should have said or meant, lack of education.

No, I meant low intelligence. The average IQ of Uganda is 73. That’s four points away from mental retardation.

Intelligence is greatly influenced by early age development. I’d suspect poorer countries have limited resources to stimulate mental development. By age 7, it is probably impossible to recover from an environment lacking sufficient mental stimulation.

Even if you were right—which you’re not—it still changes nothing about the fact that a large portion of Uganda’s population has a very low intelligence.

Ok, well we disagree, however it would mean something could be done about it.

Like what? Something like The Head Start Program or perhaps Baby Einstein DVDs?

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Posted: 03 November 2010 09:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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George - 03 November 2010 07:28 AM
Gnostikosis - 03 November 2010 07:19 AM

He probably should have said or meant, lack of education.

No, I meant low intelligence. The average IQ of Uganda is 73. That’s four points away from mental retardation.

IQ is heavily influenced by education and access to information. A lot of Africa doesn’t even have access to electricity. To take low IQ as indicative of low intelligence in such a setting indicates a profound racism. This is the same bullshit that was pulled during the heyday of eugenics.

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Posted: 03 November 2010 09:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Bruce Gorton - 03 November 2010 09:23 AM
George - 03 November 2010 07:28 AM
Gnostikosis - 03 November 2010 07:19 AM

He probably should have said or meant, lack of education.

No, I meant low intelligence. The average IQ of Uganda is 73. That’s four points away from mental retardation.

IQ is heavily influenced by education and access to information. A lot of Africa doesn’t even have access to electricity. To take low IQ as indicative of low intelligence in such a setting indicates a profound racism. This is the same bullshit that was pulled during the heyday of eugenics.

The heritability of IQ is about 80%. You can see that very well in the trans-racial adoption studies, where all the children were adopted by middle-class white parents. At the age of 17, the white adopted children had an average IQ of 106, mixed-race (black and white) kids an IQ of about 99, black kids an IQ of 89.

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Posted: 03 November 2010 09:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Bruce Gorton - 03 November 2010 09:23 AM

IQ is heavily influenced by education and access to information. A lot of Africa doesn’t even have access to electricity. To take low IQ as indicative of low intelligence in such a setting indicates a profound racism. This is the same bullshit that was pulled during the heyday of eugenics.

IQ tests are also culture driven, and thus very biased against those unfamiliar with western culture. There is no reason the for innate intelligence curve to be any different in Uganda, than in the USA, save for poorer nutrition in the rural areas.

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Posted: 03 November 2010 09:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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George - 03 November 2010 07:28 AM
Gnostikosis - 03 November 2010 07:19 AM

He probably should have said or meant, lack of education.

No, I meant low intelligence. The average IQ of Uganda is 73. That’s four points away from mental retardation.

That is a rather sweeping charge. Especially since I have worked with Ugandan doctors and nurses. Where did you get your numbers?

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Posted: 03 November 2010 09:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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asanta - 03 November 2010 09:34 AM
Bruce Gorton - 03 November 2010 09:23 AM

IQ is heavily influenced by education and access to information. A lot of Africa doesn’t even have access to electricity. To take low IQ as indicative of low intelligence in such a setting indicates a profound racism. This is the same bullshit that was pulled during the heyday of eugenics.

IQ tests are also culture driven, and thus very biased against those unfamiliar with western culture. There is no reason the for innate intelligence curve to be any different in Uganda, than in the USA, save for poorer nutrition in the rural areas.

Language also plays a big part. If you are going to do the test in your second or third language, or translated into your first language, the results will be lower. In the US you have tests written in English, being answered by people with English as their home language. Uganda has something like forty two indigenous languages.

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Posted: 03 November 2010 09:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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asanta - 03 November 2010 09:36 AM
George - 03 November 2010 07:28 AM
Gnostikosis - 03 November 2010 07:19 AM

He probably should have said or meant, lack of education.

No, I meant low intelligence. The average IQ of Uganda is 73. That’s four points away from mental retardation.

That is a rather sweeping charge. Especially since I have worked with Ugandan doctors and nurses. Where did you get your numbers?

I am sure the Ugandan doctors don’t have an IQ of 73; on the same note, I doubt the Ugandan doctors practice witchcraft. I was talking about an average IQ of the country.

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Posted: 03 November 2010 09:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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George - 03 November 2010 09:33 AM
Bruce Gorton - 03 November 2010 09:23 AM
George - 03 November 2010 07:28 AM
Gnostikosis - 03 November 2010 07:19 AM

He probably should have said or meant, lack of education.

No, I meant low intelligence. The average IQ of Uganda is 73. That’s four points away from mental retardation.

IQ is heavily influenced by education and access to information. A lot of Africa doesn’t even have access to electricity. To take low IQ as indicative of low intelligence in such a setting indicates a profound racism. This is the same bullshit that was pulled during the heyday of eugenics.

The heritability of IQ is about 80%. You can see that very well in the trans-racial adoption studies, where all the children were adopted by middle-class white parents. At the age of 17, the white adopted children had an average IQ of 106, mixed-race (black and white) kids an IQ of about 99, black kids an IQ of 89.

Yes, and I am sure the only important factor in one’s upbringing is one’s parents /sarcasm.

Let me ask you something George, how many languages do you speak?

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