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Wikileaks documents still considered classified - don’t look!
Posted: 04 December 2010 10:19 AM   [ Ignore ]
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IMHO, this is a very interesting battle going on:

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/12/03/wikileaks.access.warning/index.html

It’s ultimately a societal battle and one that probably is virtually guaranteed in the Information Age, whether it would come from Wikileaks or something else.  The battle is over what, if anything, really should remain private, and on the defensive is our traditional governmental structure.  To me, which side will win out in the long run isn’t entirely clear.  It seems clear that historically, more freedom of information wins out over less, but there are instances in history when large amounts of information were destroyed, as in the fall of Egypt and Rome, and the end of the Islamic Scientific Renaissance.  I don’t think that this is quite the same scope, but the conflict is there nonetheless.  And this conflict seems to me to be one in which the Center For Inquiry and similar organizations have a direct stake.

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Posted: 06 December 2010 02:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I heard their next release was going to be about Bank of America.
Sounded weird, but then again, that could be the most interesting stuff yet.
That’s if they don’t get nuked first.


It’s strange, even being the leftie that I am, I’m not altogether sure if I agree, then again why shouldn’t we know, then again like my East German grandma liked saying “order must be”
guess i’m agnostic on this little political chess match
but it’ll sure be interesting seeing where this game winds up at.

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Posted: 06 December 2010 07:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I say leak everything. It’s my intuition that says that the vast majority of these secrets are at best neutral to “our”(you and I-the consumer-citizen) interests, and probably mostly detrimental to our interests.(whatever you might consider your interests to be)
I mean logically…if govt organs are saying the leaks are unhealthy…than how can keeping stuff secret be healthy? Nobody likes secrets.
I love to see bad management backfire in the face of managers.

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Posted: 07 December 2010 01:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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This is indeed an interesting battle.  I wonder what WikiLeaks has up its sleeve.  It’s threatened to release some pretty sensitive and important information if they feel threatened.  I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

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Posted: 07 December 2010 02:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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There is a counter to websites like Wikileaks . . . but I don’t think that most current governments in the world are capable of it.

The counter is simply to make a website like Wikileaks irrelevant.

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Posted: 07 December 2010 02:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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TromboneAndrew - 07 December 2010 02:00 PM

There is a counter to websites like Wikileaks . . . but I don’t think that most current governments in the world are capable of it.

The counter is simply to make a website like Wikileaks irrelevant.

LOL Exactly! But that aint going to happen. So let them stew in the mess…and more innocent people will be sent to die in wars, terrorist acts, and be subject to gross disparity in the distribution of the planet’s wealth.

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Posted: 07 December 2010 02:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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You do have to wonder why these nations feel it necessary to hide the truth from everyone. Yet my own private information may become an open book in the interests of national security.

Do you trust your government enough that you’ll allow them to keep secrets from you?

The truth is the truth right? To keep something secret is so you can have an unfair advantage over your opponent.

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Posted: 07 December 2010 02:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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You know the most crappy part of this was? Having to read The NYT’s semi-condemnation of these leaks(and mostly outright condemnation from their opinion section)...all while they offer a daily disgorge, pornographic-like display of these leaks!
Biting the hand that feeds….
Now Sweden has this guy in custody…hmnnn?  I don’t get it.

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Posted: 07 December 2010 03:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Gnostikosis - 07 December 2010 02:25 PM

You do have to wonder why these nations feel it necessary to hide the truth from everyone. Yet my own private information may become an open book in the interests of national security.

I don’t wonder at all.  Any student of history can see how control of information has been highly beneficial.  It’s part of how nations compete for resources.

The problem is that with the modern combination of globalization and the information revolution, this paradyme may be changing.

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Posted: 10 December 2010 12:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Ha!

Called it.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101210/ap_on_re_as/wikileaks

Skirmishes raged across cyberspace between WikiLeaks supporters and the companies they accuse of trying to stifle the group, with websites on both sides of the battle line taken out of service or choked off by attacks.

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Posted: 10 December 2010 08:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Well written article on Assange’s accusation of raping the Swedes. HERE is the link.

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Posted: 10 December 2010 06:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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George - 10 December 2010 08:03 AM

Well written article on Assange’s accusation of raping the Swedes. HERE is the link.

Well written, hell, that was one of the more interesting, titilating even, articles I’ve read in a while. Lots of good fun there.

I don’t want to be a spoiler but it’s like hearing one of those juicy secrets, gotta share it.

“As the conversation took the sort of turns that conversations between ladies usually take, both Ardin and Wilen realized they’d both had sex with their Hacker Heartthrob during the previous week.”

“In these sort of situations, one of two things typically happens: The women will claw out each other’s eyeballs to win the man, or they’ll team together to destroy him.

“At around 2 p.m. on August 20th, Wilen and Ardin walked together into a Stockholm police station.”

“Assange now faces charges in Sweden for what is legally known there as “sex by surprise.””

“Ardin and Wilen have hired Swedish celebrity lawyer Claes Borgström, who has uttered such gems about the case as
“He had sex against their will one way or the other” and

explained that even though the girls insisted Assange didn’t use force,
they don’t understand they’ve been raped because “They’re not lawyers.””

Actually, I’m not being a spoiler the story gets even better ....

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Posted: 10 December 2010 07:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Seriously though folks,
my heartthrob has been covering this story with some more excellent interviews.
From WHYY’s Fresh Air:

http://www.npr.org/2010/12/08/131884250/nyt-reporter-defends-publishing-wikileaks-cables
NYT Reporter Defends Publishing WikiLeaks Cables
December 8, 2010

On today’s Fresh Air, David Sanger, the chief Washington correspondent for The New York Times, responds to Lieberman’s remarks and explains why the newspaper decided to publish the cables.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128776573
Reporter’s View: How The WikiLeaks Story Developed
July 27, 2010

WikiLeaks’ release of more than 90,000 military intelligence reports to The New York Times, The Guardian and Der Spiegel revealed many new insights long suspected but never corroborated about the war in Afghanistan. 
Mark Mazzetti was one of several reporters from The New York Times who sifted through and analyzed the documents leaked by WikiLeaks. In a conversation on Fresh Air, he details what the documents reveal about the war in Afghanistan and how the Times verified the information present in the leaks and then decided what and what not to publish.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128485967
Entering The Secret World Of Wikileaks
July 14, 2010

Philip Shenon, an investigative reporter who contributes to The Daily Beast, joined Fresh Air’s Dave Davies for a conversation about the website and rumors of its demise.
Shenon recently wrote a series of articles about Julian Assange, the site’s founder.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-10/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-hunted-by-pentagon-over-massive-leak/

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Posted: 10 December 2010 07:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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WoW, thanks for posting that.  And ya it gets better. smile

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Posted: 13 December 2010 07:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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George - 10 December 2010 08:03 AM

Well written article on Assange’s accusation of raping the Swedes. HERE is the link.

Well written, hell, that was one of the more interesting, titilating even, articles I’ve read in a while. Lots of good fun there.

I don’t want to be a spoiler but it’s like hearing one of those juicy secrets, gotta share it.

“As the conversation took the sort of turns that conversations between ladies usually take, both Ardin and Wilen realized they’d both had sex with their Hacker Heartthrob during the previous week.”

“In these sort of situations, one of two things typically happens: The women will claw out each other’s eyeballs to win the man, or they’ll team together to destroy him.

“At around 2 p.m. on August 20th, Wilen and Ardin walked together into a Stockholm police station.”

“Assange now faces charges in Sweden for what is legally known there as “sex by surprise.””

“Ardin and Wilen have hired Swedish celebrity lawyer Claes Borgström, who has uttered such gems about the case as
“He had sex against their will one way or the other” and

explained that even though the girls insisted Assange didn’t use force,
they don’t understand they’ve been raped because “They’re not lawyers.””

Actually, I’m not being a spoiler the story gets even better ....

sex by surprise sounds like married life with kids !

by the way…women never lie about assault and/or rape, so…he must be guilty...right?

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Posted: 14 December 2010 02:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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I was going to write a crazy-long rant about all the wikileaks stuff the other day, but figured it would be a seriously TL/DNR thing…so I spewed it out onto youtube instead. If you’re bored and have 16 minutes or so to kill, check it out and tell me how insane I am or whatever. smile

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