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Posted: 01 January 2011 10:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Posted: 01 January 2011 11:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Physics and Metaphysics.

John Polkinghorne and his book ‘ Quantum theory’.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Polkinghorne
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# I like to read his books because they raise many questions.
And these questions give information for brain to think.
John Polkinghorne took epigraph of his book ‘ Quantum theory’
the Feynman’s thought : ‘ I think I can safely say that
nobody understands quantum mechanics. ‘
Why?
Because, he wrote:
‘ ,we do not understand the theory as fully as we should.
We shall see in what follows that important interpretative
issues remain unresolved. They will demand for their
eventual settlement not only physical insight but also
metaphysical decision ’.
/ preface/
‘ Serious interpretative problems remain unresolved,
and these are the subject of continuing dispute’
/ page 40/
‘ If the study of quantum physics teaches one anything,
it is that the world is full of surprises’
/ page 87 /
‘ Metaphysical criteria that the scientific community take
very seriously in assessing the weight to put on a theory
include: . . . .’
/ page 88 /
‘Quantum theory is certainly strange and surprising, . . .’
/ page92 /
‘ Wave / particle duality is a highly surprising and
instructive phenomenon, . .’
/ page 92 /

Togetherness.
John Polkinghorne, as a realist, want to know
‘ what the physical world is actually like’, but until now
physicists don’t have the whole picture of Universe.
And in my opinion John Polkinghorne was right writing
what to understand the problems of creating the Universe:
‘ They will demand for their eventual settlement not only
physical insight but also metaphysical decision ’.
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So, maybe, Aristotle was right separating the knowledge
of Nature on two parts: Physics and Metaphysics.
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Posted: 02 January 2011 01:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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And what does all this have to do with the Thread Title?

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Posted: 02 January 2011 12:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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It’s most likely an automated bot. Just ignore it/delete it.

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Posted: 08 January 2011 06:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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The God spoke in the darkness: “Let there be light !”
. . . . . . . .
And the God said in the darkness:
Let there be light: and there was light.
So, we must examine three conceptions: God, darkness and light.
1 In the darkness it means in the spacetime of dark mass/ energy.
The spacetime of dark mass/ energy it means in the Vacuum.
The Vacuum is the Infinite/ Eternal Homogeneous Space
of the lowest ( the background ) level of Energy: E= 0.
The Vacuum is the Infinite/ Eternal Homogeneous Space
of the lowest ( the background ) level of temperature: T= 0K.
2.
The God is hidden into the Infinite/ Eternal Homogeneous
Energy Space and we don’t know that to say about Him/ Her/ It.
But we know, that according to Quantum Physics a virtual
energetic particles can exist in this Infinite/ Eternal
Homogeneous Energy Space.
So, we can suppose that, maybe, from these virtual energetic
particles the God created light/ quantum of light.
3.
So, in the beginning God created the Light.
How did He do it?
The Bible explain us that the God created the light very easy.
God simply said:  ‘Let there be light: and there was light.’
And for many years everybody adopted this convincing proof
without any doubt.
Only poor Einstein had doubts. He wrote sadly :
‘ All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me
no nearer to the answer to the question, ‘What are light quanta?’
Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks he knows it,
but he is mistaken. ‘
But Tom, Dick and Harry laughed.
‘What cannot the old Jew understand?’ they said bewilder.
‘ Isn’t clear that quantum of light is a simply wave-particle,
of course, simultaneously ?’
  . . . . .
And now one part of mankind ( Religious part ) believes that
God created the light in very easy way.
And the other part of mankind ( Scientific part ) believes that
the light is the quantum of light which simply has his own
wave-particle abilities, of course, simultaneously.

These two great Mystical beliefs govern on the planet Earth
without understand each other. This is situation that we have now.
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Israel Sadovnik Socratus

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Posted: 08 January 2011 11:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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socratus - 08 January 2011 06:25 AM

The God spoke in the darkness: “Let there be light !”
. . . . . . . .
And the God said in the darkness:
Let there be light: and there was light.
So, we must examine three conceptions: God, darkness and light.
1 In the darkness it means in the spacetime of dark mass/ energy.
The spacetime of dark mass/ energy it means in the Vacuum.
The Vacuum is the Infinite/ Eternal Homogeneous Space
of the lowest ( the background ) level of Energy: E= 0.
The Vacuum is the Infinite/ Eternal Homogeneous Space
of the lowest ( the background ) level of temperature: T= 0K.
2.
The God is hidden into the Infinite/ Eternal Homogeneous
Energy Space and we don’t know that to say about Him/ Her/ It.
But we know, that according to Quantum Physics a virtual
energetic particles can exist in this Infinite/ Eternal
Homogeneous Energy Space.
So, we can suppose that, maybe, from these virtual energetic
particles the God created light/ quantum of light.
3.
So, in the beginning God created the Light.
How did He do it?
The Bible explain us that the God created the light very easy.
God simply said:  ‘Let there be light: and there was light.’
And for many years everybody adopted this convincing proof
without any doubt.
Only poor Einstein had doubts. He wrote sadly :
‘ All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me
no nearer to the answer to the question, ‘What are light quanta?’
Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks he knows it,
but he is mistaken. ‘
But Tom, Dick and Harry laughed.
‘What cannot the old Jew understand?’ they said bewilder.
‘ Isn’t clear that quantum of light is a simply wave-particle,
of course, simultaneously ?’
  . . . . .
And now one part of mankind ( Religious part ) believes that
God created the light in very easy way.
And the other part of mankind ( Scientific part ) believes that
the light is the quantum of light which simply has his own
wave-particle abilities, of course, simultaneously.

These two great Mystical beliefs govern on the planet Earth
without understand each other. This is situation that we have now.
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus

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So what?  Religion is not about the physical sciences, it is about the organization of society.

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Posted: 08 January 2011 11:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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socratus - 08 January 2011 06:25 AM

The God spoke in the darkness: “Let there be light !”
. . . . . . . .
So what?  Religion is not about the physical sciences,
it is about the organization of society.

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There are many meaning of the word ‘ Religion’.
What is Religion for me?
# Book ‘ The pushcart prize, III:
Best of the small presses.
From a journey through the land of Israel.
By Pinchas Saden. Pages 132-133 ‘

‘ To be religious, in my terms, means to understand that
life is a parable of which God is the meaning – that is,
to live life as a struggle to make contact with the divine.
. . . .
– in other words, by the drying up of the previously
renewable source of human contact with God.
. . . . . .
There can be no other significance to life beside worshiping Him.
The rest is simple a question of how one understands this worship –
- that is, of how one understands God.
Worshiping God, as the phrase suggests*, has nothing to do with
pleasure or cultural frills. It is work, hard work, like paving a road,
or farming land, or building a house.
In general, I don’t believe that the purpose of life in this world is
to snatch a little pleasure here or there. If it were, we might as
well have been born bedbugs. In whatever we live and do – in our
happiness, our suffering, our love, our hate, our passions,
our thoughts – we must live and do it not just for itself, but as
a parable, as a question, as a war. As work. As worship.
What is man? Man is question. God is answer.
If the answer were available here, in this life, the question
would be unnecessary. The painful tension between the two
gives life its energy.’
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/ * In Hebrew the word for ‘ Worship’  avoda,
is the same as the word for ‘ work’. Translator./
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Posted: 19 February 2011 03:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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SRT: The Essence.

Einstein wrote that as a boy 15 -16 years old:
‘ I wonder what would happen to light if I were
moving right along with it at the speed of light.’ (c=1)
From this perspective and after 10 years of hard work
he published his SRT.
So, Einstein flew at the speed c=1 and around him flew
many other light quanta. No other particles were around.
Only the light quanta were around at the speed c=1.
And Einstein saw that they can change not only all their
parameters but the surround region too, according to
Lorentz transformations.
# Therefore I say:
SRT is a special theory only for the Quantum of Light.
SRT explains the behavior of the Quantum of Light.
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Posted: 19 February 2011 03:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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SRT: The Essence.
1.
One postulate of SRT says: the speed of quantum
of light in a vacuum is a constant ( c=1).
This postulate doesn’t have conception of acceleration.
2.
The other postulate says:  every speed, even the
speed of quantum of light in a vacuum is relative.
It means this postulate has acceleration and this
acceleration is hidden in Lorentz transformations.
# It means that quantum of light in a vacuum can have
two kinds of motions: constant and relative. And
therefore SRT explains only the behavior, only the
motions of Quantum of Light !
# Only quantum of light has a constant speed (c=1).
All another bodies and particles cannot reach this speed.
Quantum of light and all another particles are two
incompatibles quantities. And we know from school
that two incompatibles quantities cannot be compared.
And therefore the SRT is a special theory
only for the Quantum of Light !
# It is our stupid prejudice that instead to understand
what Quantum of light is and how it interacts with
another particles we try to compare them.
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Posted: 19 February 2011 03:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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SRT: The Essence.
1.
One postulate of SRT says: the speed of quantum
of light in a vacuum is a constant ( c=1).
The acceleration is zero.
2.
The other postulate says: the Lorentz transformations
don’t have constant speed (the formula of speed is another)
The Lorentz transformations have relative speed and
therefore an acceleration is hidden in it.
3.
SRT was grown from Maxwell’s electrodynamics.
We cannot compare Maxwell’s electrodynamics with
Newton mechanics.  And the Lorentz transformations
we cannot compare with Galileo’s transformations.
The Galileo’s transformations belongs to inertial moving.
The Lorentz transformations doesn’t belong to inertial moving.
The Lorentz transformations is another kind of movement.
The Lorentz transformations explains the SPIN of particle.
The Lorentz transformations describes the SPIN of Quantum
of light. The Rotation of Quantum of light in Vacuum changes
not only its parameters but the surrounding region too.
The Rotate Quantum of light has other mass, energy, length,
time and surrounding space.
Not vice versa.
# Therefore I say:
SRT is a special theory only for the Quantum of Light.
SRT explains the behavior of the Quantum of Light.
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Israel Sadovnik Socratus.
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Posted: 23 February 2011 12:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Time, Space and Quantum of Light. / My opinion./
   
Can Time Exist Without Matter?
1.
According to Newton the answer is “ Yes”.
2.
According to SRT and GRT the answer is “ No”.
3.
Who is right? Who is wrong?
What is the resolution of this apparent paradox?
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#   There are two kinds of time:
a) the proper (individual) time and
b) the planetary time.
c) and according to SRT the spacetime
How can we unite them explaining the Existence of Universe.
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The individual time and planetary time
are so familiar that we rarely give them thought.
Don’t we know, that time for living being is limited
and the planetary time is absolute for them ? It is.
Maybe therefore Newton declared that time is absolute.
It “ flows equably without relation to anything external”
he wrote in 1687. But Einstein had another opinion.
He wanted to know: “ Where does the conception of time
come from?”, “ What is the essence of time?”.
And to explain these questions he created two theories:
SRT and GRT and declared that time is relative, changeable.
1.
SRT explains behavior and the proper time of light
quanta /electron. Why do I think so?
a)
One law (postulate) of SRT says that speed of light quanta
is constant c=1. Second law ( postulate ) says no another particle
can reach this speed. So there are two incommensurable
quantities. Is it possible to bind them together? No. I was
taught at school from the first class that the incommensurable
quantities cannot be compared. The connection between these
incommensurable quantities is similar to the decision of a
problem: “What will be if the whale attacks the elephant?”
We can see whale in a ocean and elephant in a savanna,
but they never meet and fight in the same “ frame of reference”.
And the same is about light quanta and another particles.
We cannot see them together in SRT. We can meet only the
light quanta in SRT and no other particles in it.
b)
SRT was born from Maxwell’s theory and it is a continuation
of the electrodynamics’ development . The electron is a main
and single hero in the Maxwell’s theory and SRT. There
isn’t the Maxwell’s theory / SRT without electron.
It is not correct to compare electron/ light quanta with another
particles (protons…etc) and bodies (billiard balls, satellites,
astronauts, “twins”)  because they cannot produce electromagnetic
fields. The electron and the another particles are also incommensurable
quantities. They are absolutely different objects.
c)
Every epoch has its own delusion. Maxwell and Boltzmann
tried to explain electromagnetic fields using balls, wheels,
cog-wheels, springs…etc. H. Hertz, who demonstrated the
existence of the electromagnetic waves,  wrote that the
electromagnetic waves didn’t have practice use. Etc….
Now we try to compare electron/photon
ability with astronaut’s and “twins’ ” opportunities.
It is mistaken, but what to do? We do it because this is
our way of cognition:
” From vague wish to the bright thought”. 
2.
So, how SRT explains time from electron/ light quanta point of view.
a)
When light quanta is in state of a rest its time is frozen,
and its own clock shows zero.
b)
When photon moves with constant speed c=1
its time is also frozen, and its own clock still shows zero.
c)
Only when photon moves with speed c>1 its zero time
changes and limited time appears. In this situation we
know photon as an electron. Photon works as an electron
and SRT and Lorentz transformations explain this process.
d)
And when , for example, electron emits from an atom and
interacts with Vacuum all its parameters change. Its limited
time ends and its own clock shows zero again.  Now it lives
in infinite/ eternal Vacuum until new incarnation, until its new
work, maybe, in an atom (molecule), or in a cell, maybe, in a blade
of grass or in a tree, maybe, in an animal or in a person.
In another words:” We are living beings until Light quanta/
Electron is present and works in our body.”
Is it true? Yes, it is true. Why?
Because W. Pauli in 1924 wrote:” Each quantum state in the atom
is not limited of two electrons,  but only one electron”.
It means in the atom can be only one, single electron.
The electron manages the atom. If the atom contains more
than one electron (for example – two), this atom represents
“ Siamese twins”. Save us God of having such atoms and cells.
And the living being begins its life from one, singe cell.
What I am introducing here is what ’ thinking photon/ electron’ exist .
I applied the quantum of light/ photon/ electron with a consciousness.
And His own consciousness is not static but can develop.
The development of conscious scale goes
” from vague wishes up to a clear thought “.
This evolution proceeds during hundred millions (billion) years.
e)
Trying to understand “ the electrodynamics of moving bodies”
Einstein wrote that it is the result of time and space changes.
It is not exactly correct , because these changes are secondary
in SRT. And the first point of SRT is that Quantum of light changes
its spin. The former Planck/ Einstein’s spin (h) changes in Goudsmit /
Uhlenbeck’s spin (h = h / 2pi), and as a result of this act all its parameters
change and the time and new space appear.                         
3.
GRT explains the conditions of gravitation and the secret of
planetary time. Why do I think so?
a)
When Einstein worked on GRT, he asked astronomers:
“ What is the average mass of matter in the Universe?”
The result was lamentable. The quantity of mass was
insignificantly small. It was impossible to keep gravitation
law with such insignificantly little mass and so, the Universe
must be “open”, endless. But what to do with the infinite
space, Einstein didn’t know. Therefore he took (from the
heaven)  “ the cosmological constant” in order to “close”
the Universe. The taken mass was enough for creating the
condition of gravitation. Without “ the cosmological constant”
the Universe is endless.
b)
In 1922 Friedman wrote, that we could not take “ the
cosmological constant” in calculation. Instead of it, it is
enough to take “time”  and the Universe will be “closed”.
  Friedman was correct, but why? Because “time”, by its
nature, is a limited physical quantity and, be taken in
mathematical calculation, automatically gives “closed” result.
c)
So, the detected material mass of the
matter in the Universe is so small (the average density
of all substance in the Universe is approximately
p=10^-30 g/sm^3) that the gravitation law doesn’t work.
Astronomers and astrophysicists know about this fact and
therefore (to save the gravitation law) invented new matter
a “dark matter”, a new energy a “dark energy” and another
abstract objects. This “ invention” is only a result of our
mentality , which says: ” If in a theory you meet infinity it
means the theory is nonsense”. It is very hard to take that
the Universe is infinite. It is no easy matter to give up
a lifetime of habit .
d)
On my opinion it is impossible to use GRT to Universe as
a whole. The Newton/ Einstein’s gravitation laws are correct
only in the local parts of Vacuum. The Universe / Vacuum
as a whole is endless.
e)
So, how does GRT explain time?
According to GRT the time depends on the mass
and speed it means, of moving matter.
It means that different masses and speeds can create
different time. For example, our planet Earth has its
own time but for us it is absolute. 
  The other planets have another mass and speed and
therefore they have their own time. This time according
to GRT is relative. But their habitants will think that their
time is absolute. But if they know GRT they will
not make this mistake. 
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According to SRT and GRT time is relative.
SRT says about proper/ individual time of an
electron/ light quanta.
GRT says about planetary time of a Planet..
The time cannot exist without matter and speed,
in another words, without moving matter. But
different reasons and different moving of a matter
create the proper and planetary time.
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Is it possible to see the different manifestation of
time in a human being?
Here is an article “ Even the time is pressed from fear”
by Dr. Vadim Chernobrov (collaborator of MAI -
- Moscow Aviation Institute).
He wrote, that we usually think time is a constant quality.
But Einstein’s relative theory says time is relative. 
Question. Is it possible to check it in our life?
Answer. Russian and foreign researches say it is
possible. The documents (secret in the past) testify
that “cataclysm of time”, “ phenomenon of time’s
perversion “,” the changes (its deceleration) of time”
often is observed by people whose profession connected
with risk: astronauts, pilots, drivers, soldiers.
1.
The test pilot Mark Gallay wrote in his book
“The test in the sky” when his airplane was caught
with fire “ the time began to go in another scale. The time
almost stopped. Every second took ability of expansion,
and in this situation it was possible to do many things.”
He confirms that tested such feeling many times.
2.
The test pilot Marina L. Popovich said the same,
in the dangerous, catastrophic situations “ the time
is stretches”.
3.
In June 1989 the soviet airplane MIG-29 crashed near
Paris, in Le Bourget airport , in the time of its air show.
The notes of “the black box” showed that during the
four (4)seconds the test pilot Anatoly Kvochur made as
many operations as in normal situation it would take some
minutes. The test pilot later said: ” the time was stretched”.
4.
The captain N.Z.(fought in Afghanistan) remembers:
“the fly of the bullet was so beautiful that I didn’t guess
to evade from it, although I have enough time to do it”.
5.
The sergeant V. Ch (fought in Afghanistan) told:
“ The black barrel of gun seems very big, even enormous.
Time is stopped and full silence came. And I moved slowly
a step a side and the bullet passed close to me.”
6.
Etc…
His conclusions.
The people in a critical situation, on the border of death,
suddenly for themselves begin to see everything as in the
slow down film and in this time their speed reaction and
power increase in tens and hundreds times. And this explains:
a) why a man who escaped from wolves, can quickly reach
up the top of the naked tree, 
b) an old woman took out a big trunk from her burned house,
which later two strong firemen couldn’t rise.
c) etc…
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My experience.
The speed on the curve was so fast that to keep the balance of
the car I went on other road line and flew straight at the
“forehead’ of a green mercedes. The driver of the mercedes
was in panic, in horror. He threw the wheel and closed his face
with his hands. Suddenly the time stopped and the sound disappeared
for me and I made many actions before my car kicked only the side
back door of the mercedes. It was long time ago, but writing this article
I understood better what happened.
Our computer-brain works on a dualistic basis (on two different neurons
systems): 1) usually under logic program,
2) sometimes on intuition (subconscious).
Brain of a man approximately consists of sixteen milliards neurons.
All of them form the system that manages human body.
That is why that with the work of all the sixteen milliards neurons
of brain, a man cannot catch a single impulse of his Electron, of his
Quantum of light, of his Soul:
(mass of electron is equal 10^-31 kg., charge of electron is equal 10^-19 k.)
But in that time ( critical time ) most neurons of my brain stopped
their electric pulse (time almost stopped) and my Light Quanta/Electron
in this new condition (superconductivity) had possibility to incr

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Posted: 23 February 2011 01:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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IMO, time does not exist apart from matter. Quantum cannot occur in the same place at the same time. As the matter part of quantum occupies space, time Must be created for quantum to occur. Time is a result of quantum. It is formed during quantum suspension. I believe proof lies in the relationship between Time and SOL.

I also believe that time did not exist before the beginning (the first quantum event). The beginning was the first quantum event, time came after, stabilizing itself in relationship with SOL, after the initial chaotic “expansion”.

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