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Posted: 15 October 2011 03:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 91 ]
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These particles have following parameters.
C/D = pi, R/N= k , E = +/-Mc^2 = +/-kc^2 , h = 0 , i^2= -1

Their condition is potential.

I can agree with that.

Hi, “Write4U”
I want explain why you can say ‘ I can agree with that ’

    -  Philosophy of ‘ Vacuum.’ ( Part 1.)

1. In beginning was Vacuum an Infinite / Eternal continuum.

Here I differ,

IMO in the beginning there was a zero singularity consisting of infinite compressed Potential (Latent energy). Spacetime did not exist at all. Space and Time and their attendant laws began with the instantaneously creation and subsequent expansion of the universe, i.e BB (the release of all universal potential in a single mega QE). A brief moment of chaotic expansions until spacetime laws inevitably began ordering matter and energy to function, shaping the universe as we know it today.

2. Vacuum is not Empty space.  ‘ Virtual particles’, ‘ dark matter’ and ‘zoo of elementary particles’ exist in the Vacuum.

IMO, ‘everything’ is preceeded by potential. Without potential an event cannot happen.  Thus even virtual particles have to be preceeded by potential.  These particles, along with physical particles were created during the BB at which time the spacetime expansion (continuum) replaced the vacuum.
I submit there is no vacuum anymore. Vacuum was the singularity of Potential (Latency). Now there is only spacetime, potential expressed in reality.

3. Now (!) the physicists think (!) that the Universe as whole has temperature: T= 2,7K .  The parameter T=2,7K is not constant.
It is temporal and goes down. In the future it will come to T= 0K.

4. The simplest question: Which geometrical form can have the ‘ virtual particles’, ‘ the particles of dark matter’, the ‘ zoo of elementary particles’  in reference frame T= 2,7K - –—> T= 0K ?

The answer is: ‘ They must be flat particles.’
Why? Because according to Charle’s law and the consequence of the third law of thermodynamics as the thermodynamic temperature
of a system approaches absolute zero the volume of particles approaches zero too. It means the particles must have flat forms.
They must have geometrical form of a circle: pi= c /d =3,14 . . . .

As I understand it, Renate Loll posits a fundamental fractal structure (CDT) to the spacetime continuum.

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Posted: 15 October 2011 09:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 92 ]
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Write4U - 15 October 2011 02:13 PM

I am not a scientist, so I cannot comment on the mathematics.
I arrived at this paradigm philosophically.

I believe that Potential is the fundamental precursor to reality,
by its very definition of “That which may become reality”.
I believe it is a common denominator of all things past, present, and future.
Without potential an event cannot happen.

I am sure you are familiar with David Bohm (Implicate and Explicate order),
which postulates a fundamental state of pure potential, which I believe is the same
as the Vacuum of which you speak..

I am also not a scientist.
I am interesting only in philosophy of Physics.
And many scientific facts say that the Vacuum is
’ a fundamental state of pure potential ’ .
Vacuum is Real Potential of Material Existence.
But modern physicists refuse to take this conception seriously.
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Posted: 15 October 2011 09:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 93 ]
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Here I differ,

IMO, ‘everything’ is preceeded by potential.
Without potential an event cannot happen.
Thus even virtual particles have to be preceeded by potential. 
These particles, along with physical particles were created during the BB
at which time the spacetime expansion (continuum) replaced the vacuum.
I submit there is no vacuum anymore.
Vacuum was the singularity of Potential (Latency).
Now there is only spacetime, potential expressed in reality.

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What was before: egg or chicken?
Oh, I know this question is very old and haven’t answer.
Therefore I will ask a simpler question:
What was before: ‘big bang’ or vacuum?
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Posted: 15 October 2011 11:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 94 ]
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IMO, there was no “before” the beginning. There was no spacetime, i.e. no space and no time. However there was potential, a metaphysical condition (latent energy) compressed into a singularity, which instantaneously “realised” all the latent universal energy in one single mega quantum event.

IMO, the answer to your question is, neither. Potential came first, by definition it must be present before any event can occur, including the beginning or any form of existence or being. Potential is the implicate, Reality is the explicate (Bohm).

perhaps there is a quantum progression of particle creation and behavior: FTL(virt.part.) > SOL(part.) > STL(elements) > R   blank stare

Potential (latent energy or virtual particles) cannot travel at less than FTL and become reality at SOL, but at FTL speeds latent or virtual particles can take on virtual mass and express themselves as pure energy at SOL.

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Posted: 16 October 2011 12:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 95 ]
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Write4U - 15 October 2011 11:07 PM

Potential (latent energy or virtual particles) cannot travel at less than FTL
and become reality at SOL,
but at FTL speeds latent or virtual particles can take on virtual mass
and express themselves as pure energy at SOL.

More concrete details,
1.
Potential latent energy or virtual particles as well as all Galaxies
exist in Infinite / Eternal Pure Energy Vacuum which has physical
parameters T= 0K, E= ∞ 
2.
These potential latent energy or virtual particles have following
physical parameters:
C/D = pi, R/N= k , E = +/-Mc^2 = +/-kc^2 , h = 0 , i^2= -1
3.
These potential latent energy or virtual particles express
themselves as visual particles for example as electrons.
4.
Electrons are active evolved particles which /who have ability
to create visual Existence.
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Posted: 16 October 2011 03:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 96 ]
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I agree with the philosophy, I cannot comment on the science…. confused

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Posted: 16 October 2011 08:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 97 ]
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Not By Chance the Existence Began.

The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys
at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time
will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works
of William Shakespeare.
The probability of a monkey exactly typing a complete work such
as Shakespeare’s Hamlet is so tiny that the chance of it occurring
during a period of time of the order of the age of the universe
is extremely low, but not zero.
. . . . .
If there are as many monkeys as there are particles in the
observable universe . . . . the probability of the monkeys replicating
even a short book is nearly zero.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem

It means that by chance it is impossible to create
Intellect Existence during 13 - 20 billions of years
after ‘big bang’.
The Intellect Existence needs some intellect beginning.
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Posted: 16 October 2011 12:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 98 ]
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What has intelligence to do with any of this?

Monkeys typing random letters will produce a lot of pages with letters on them. Some will be words. The probability of that is 100%.

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Posted: 16 October 2011 02:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 99 ]
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Write4U,

What socratus is saying, is that intelligence could have never appeared because the chances (as per the infinite monkey theorem) of that happening are practically nonexistent. The problem here (problem for socratus) is that that argument is worthy of a person from the 18th century. Today, only an ignorant or a stupid person would make such a claim. Evolution, which gave a rise to intelligence, has obviously nothing to do with the infinite monkey theorem.

But I hope you’re aware of the fact that trying to explain that to socratus will be a complete waste of your time. He is mentally ill and has probably no idea that you are trying to engage in a conversation with him.

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Posted: 16 October 2011 02:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 100 ]
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Right.  And, as an aside that the “improbability” theorists forget is that a microscopic small probability of a certain outcome times a gigantically large number of events occurring times a gigantically long period of time can quite easily result in a probability close to one, as it did on earth.

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Posted: 16 October 2011 04:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 101 ]
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Occam. - 16 October 2011 02:21 PM

Right. 
And, as an aside that the “improbability” theorists forget is that
a microscopic small probability of a certain outcome times a gigantically
large number of events occurring times a gigantically
long period of time can quite easily result in a probability
close to one, as it did on earth.
Occam

It means that you say : the ‘big bang’ theory is wrong.

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Posted: 16 October 2011 05:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 102 ]
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Occam. - 16 October 2011 02:21 PM

Right. 
And, as an aside that the “improbability” theorists forget is that
a microscopic small probability of a certain outcome times a gigantically
large number of events occurring times a gigantically
long period of time can quite easily result in a probability
close to one, as it did on earth.
Occam

It means that you say : the ‘big bang’ theory is wrong.

IMO, the BB and consequent evolution of the universe was inevitable (100%).  Elemental particles forming in the universe is like simple words forming when monkeys type random letters. Put simple words togeteher, you get sentences, put elemental particles together you get compounds.

No intelligence required at any stage of evolution. Natural laws take care of the “orderly” process with near 100% certainty.

Potential = God (without all the trappings of ID).  No Potential, no Universe.

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Posted: 16 October 2011 05:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 103 ]
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George - 16 October 2011 02:10 PM

Write4U,

What socratus is saying, is that intelligence could have never appeared because the chances (as per the infinite monkey theorem) of that happening are practically nonexistent. The problem here (problem for socratus) is that that argument is worthy of a person from the 18th century. Today, only an ignorant or a stupid person would make such a claim. Evolution, which gave a rise to intelligence, has obviously nothing to do with the infinite monkey theorem.

But I hope you’re aware of the fact that trying to explain that to socratus will be a complete waste of your time. He is mentally ill and has probably no idea that you are trying to engage in a conversation with him.

IK, but socratus finally came to his main theme of a causal intelligence. I cannot leave that unchallenged.

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Posted: 16 October 2011 05:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 104 ]
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George - 16 October 2011 02:10 PM

Write4U,

What socratus is saying, is that intelligence could have never appeared because the chances (as per the infinite monkey theorem) of that happening are practically nonexistent. The problem here (problem for socratus) is that that argument is worthy of a person from the 18th century. Today, only an ignorant or a stupid person would make such a claim. Evolution, which gave a rise to intelligence, has obviously nothing to do with the infinite monkey theorem.

But I hope you’re aware of the fact that trying to explain that to socratus will be a complete waste of your time. He is mentally ill and has probably no idea that you are trying to engage in a conversation with him.

IK, but socratus finally came to his main theme of a causal intelligence.
I cannot leave that unchallenged.

My conclusion:
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We have two opportunities.
One opportunity .
By the Chance it was impossible to create Intellect Existence
during as short time as 13 - 20 billions years after ‘big bang’.
The intelligence could have never appeared By the Chances
according to Theory of Probability (as per the infinite monkey
theorem) because it is not enough time for creating it.
The Evolution (which gave a rise to intelligence ) according
to Theory of Probability By the Chance it is impossible.
It must be some intelligence beginning.
If ‘big bang ’ true theory (and we are materialists ) then we must
find an intellectual beginning inside it.

Now physicists have zoo of elementary particles.
Which of them can take functions of intellectual beginning ?
Can every particle of this zoo have beginning of consciousness?
I think, no.
Why?
Because in our Earthly world there is only one smallest practical
fundamental particle -  electron.
Now is possible to ask:
Does evolution begin on the electron’s level?
Does an electron have consciousness ?
Can an electron evolve?
What is an electron?
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Second opportunity .
The theory ‘big bang’ is wrong.
And then according to Theory of Probability the Universe has
chance not zero but nearly zero to creat Intellect Existence.

So. Einstein’s question ‘ Does God play dice ? ’ is still open.
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Posted: 16 October 2011 06:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 105 ]
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Does a brain have consciousness?
Does a single braincell have consciousness?
Do the compounds that make up the braincells have consciousness?
Do the elements that make up the compounds that make up the braincells have consciousness?
Do the particles that make up the the elements that make up the compounds that make up the braincells have consciousness?
Do the subatomic particles that make up the particles that…..........and a partridge in a pear tree…....

Consciousness is an “emergent” quality in evolution of complexity, not an “active property” of simplicity.

Before the Beginning, there was no ordered complexity, only Potential (philosophically: Latent Excellence)

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