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Revolutionary Eschatology/The Final Freedoms
Posted: 20 September 2006 10:14 AM   [ Ignore ]
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On the horizon appears an approaching confrontation so contentious, any clash of civilizations will have to wait its turn. On one side, a manuscript by an unknown author titled: The Final Freedoms, against all the gravitas religious tradition can bring to bear.

This, the first wholly new interpretation for 2000 years of the moral teachings of Jesus the Christ focuses specifically on marriage and human sexuality, challenging all natural law theory and theology. At stake is the credibility of several thousand years of religious history.

What at first appears an utterly preposterous challenge to the religious status quo rewards those who persevere in closer examination, for it carries within its pages an idea both subtle and sublime, what the theological history of religion either ignored, were unable to imagine or dismissed as impossible. An error of presumption which could now leave ‘tradition’ staring into the abyss and even humble the heights of scientific speculation. For if this material is confirmed, and there appears to be both the means and a concerted effort to authenticate it, the greatest unresolved questions of human existence may finally have been untangled.

Published only on the web and distributed free as a pdf download, made up of twenty nine chapters and three hundred and seventy pages, this new teaching has nothing whatsoever to do with any existing religious conception known to history. It is unique in every respect.

This new teaching is pure ethics. It requires no institutional framework, no churches, no priest craft, no scholastic theological rational, no dogma or doctrine, costs nothing and ╬worship╠ requires only conviction, faith and the necessary measure of self discipline to accomplish a new, single moral imperative and then the integrity and fidelity to the new reality.

Using a synthesis of scriptural material from the Old and New Testaments, the Apocrypha , The Dead Sea Scrolls,The Nag Hammadi Library, and some of the worlds great poetry, it describes and teaches a single moral LAW, a single moral principle and offers its own proof; one in which the reality of God responds to an act of perfect faith with a direct, individual intervention into the natural world; making a correction to human nature by a change in natural law, altering biology, consciousness, human ethical perception, and providing new, primary insight and understanding of the human condition.

This new interpretation explains the moral foundation of all human thought and conduct and finds expression within a new covenant of human spiritual union, the marriage between one man and one woman. It resolves the most intractable questions and issues of human sexuality and may offer possibilities cultural, political process has yet to dream of.

As the first ever religious teaching able to demonstrate its own efficacy, the first ever religious claim to knowledge that meets the criteria of the most rigourous, testable scientific method, this teaching enters the public domain as a reality entirely new to human history and available for anyone to test, discover and confirm for themselves.

The beginnings of an intellectual and moral revolution are unfolding on the web. Is this the catalyst that might very well define the very future of humanity and the earth itself!

Links:  http://www.energon.uklinux.net
  http://thefinalfreedoms.bulldoghome.com

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Posted: 20 September 2006 10:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Lordy lordy ... it slices, it dices, does it make julienne fries as well?

In all seriousness, what you have presented here is little more than breathless marketing-speak. It resembles spam, frankly, and takes some restraint on my part not to delete it.

What does it matter if this thing “synthesizes” the Bible, the Apocrypha, Dead Sea Scrolls, etc.? Why are those particular books somehow priveleged? What about the Mahabharata? The Iliad? Popol Vuh? And why look to these ancient, blood-soaked books of myth for our ‘moral foundations’ at all?

If this thing really does teach a “single moral law” as you say, I think better for you just to tell us what that law is. Oh, and a quick sketch of the outline of the supposed “proof” would be nice, as well.

Klaatu barada nikto!

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Posted: 20 September 2006 03:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Posted: 21 September 2006 08:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Revolutionary Eschatology/The Final Freedoms

As the first post suggests, the teaching is about marriage. I think the easiest way to relate this teaching is to quote a passage from William Shakespeare that is used to annotate the manuscript. It is from the poem titled Venis and Adonis.

Call it not love for love to heaven is fled
Since sweating lust on earth upsur’p his name;
Under whose simple semblance he hath fed
Upon fresh beauty, blotting it with blame;
Which the hot tyrant stains and soon bereaves
As caterpillers do the tender leaves.

Love comforteth like sunshine after rain
But lusts effect is tempest after sun;
Love’s gentle spring doth always fresh remain,
Lust;s winter comes ere summer hjalf be done,
Love surfeits not, lust like a glutten dies,
Love is all truth, lust full of forged lies.

Thus the ‘Law’ that had been defined by this new teaching deals with how men use their sexual member. By the existing law of nature in which human nature exists, all that is possible is an expression of bestial, biological necessity.[this is the stain] But for men who recognize the ‘incompleteness’ of their sexual expression, to make this expression and union perfect, the living God is prepared to intervene directly and remove lust, changing a law of nature, thus a man and woman can discover by an act of faith, a perfect expression of love and human spiritual union. This is the proof. This event is also called the ‘Resurrection’ and ‘Circumcision’ of the Holy Spirit.

That ‘s it in a nutshell. That is what I have experienced and this is what I now share with my wife.

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Posted: 21 September 2006 08:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Well, OK, klatu, I’m happy that you and your wife find meaning in all this. I certainly admit that Shakespeare was a great poet, and that there is a deep distinction to be made between love and lust. But I don’t get the whole ‘sex is dirty’ stuff ... neither do I see where the theology comes into it.

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Posted: 21 September 2006 09:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Revolutionary Eschatology/The Final Freedoms

It is that ‘sex’ is both a spiritual corruption [it’s not love] and an ethical illusion and moral limitation, from what is now posssible. One only has to look at the downside of human sexuality. Start with, how about 20 million dead from AIDS and numbers growing, all Sexually Tranmitted Desease’s, unwanted children, rape, abortion, contraception, recent research that shows male semen implicated is female cancers, and already implicated in other male cnacers like testicular and others, and a lot more I don’t have time to list. Lets be honest for once about male sexual response. It is an honesty about one’s own nature that is first necessary to realize this new reality. 

What ever ones prejudices may be, this manuscript is worth the tiny price of the paper to download, printout and read. There is so much more that I am unable to relate in this forum in the manuscript, until others read it for themselves.

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Posted: 21 September 2006 09:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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[quote author=“klatu”]It is that ‘sex’ is both a spiritual corruption [it’s not love] and an ethical illusion and moral limitation, from what is now posssible. One only has to look at the downside of human sexuality. Start with, how about 20 million dead from AIDS and numbers growing, all Sexually Tranmitted Desease’s, unwanted children, rape, abortion, contraception, recent research that shows male semen implicated is female cancers, and already implicated in other male cnacers like testicular and others, and a lot more I don’t have time to list. Lets be honest for once about male sexual response. It is an honesty about one’s own nature that is first necessary to realize this new reality. 

Sorry, klatu, you’ve lost me here. How is sex ‘spiritual corruption’?

Sure there are downsides to sexuality. There are also downsides to love—you can be dumped or bereaved. There are downsides to driving in cars— 43,000 dead on US highways in 2002 alone . There are downsides to everything.

But what’s wrong with contraception? I’d have said that’s a boon and benefit to all concerned.

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Posted: 22 September 2006 12:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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The Final Freedoms

Start first with definitions. According to this new revelation, to which I must now agree, it is marriage, the love shared between a man and woman, which is the highest of human spiritual aspirations. And to have that aspiration confirmed by God the highest of human experience.

Why is ‘sex’ a spiritual corruption? That would be from the point of view of the ‘designer’. Again consider the verse from Shakespeare: ‘Love is all truth, lust full of forged lies’

Now, knowing what is right, I am ashamed by how I used my flesh for so long before. I doubt there is anyman who lays beside his wife, and when with the greatest sincerity, joining in intimacy, does not doubt within himself the honesty of the act of coitus.

It is no wonder the high percentage of marriages fail when what is meant to be the most important act a married couple can share is in fact a joint self deception.  And it is then pornography and prostitution which thrive in the confusion.

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Posted: 22 September 2006 12:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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The Final Freedoms

As for contraception, what more proof do you need that man is not soverign or rational over his own will, body and nature than that? Why should a woman have to defend herself [with those risks] against a tyranny of human nature within man. And to call that love? You must be joking.

That is why this proof has come into the world. That man might demonstrate to God his potential for goodness, by taking primary moral responsibility for his own nature, and ‘rise’ about his bestial condition, to a new moral and ethical state.

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Posted: 22 September 2006 01:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Sorry, I’m just not following you here.

[quote author=“klatu”]Start first with definitions. According to this new revelation, to which I must now agree, it is marriage, the love shared between a man and woman, which is the highest of human spiritual aspirations. And to have that aspiration confirmed by God the highest of human experience.

What do you mean by “revelation”? If all you mean is that you thought it up, then it virtually follows that you’re going to agree with it. But why should we believe it?

How do you know that marriage is “the highest of human spiritual aspirations”?

How do you know that god exists and that he has “confirmed” marriage in this way?

[quote author=“klatu”]Why is ‘sex’ a spiritual corruption? That would be from the point of view of the ‘designer’.

This doesn’t answer the question. Neither does the quote from Shakespeare.

[quote author=“klatu”]As for contraception, what more proof do you need that man is not soverign or rational over his own will, body and nature than that?

Eh? Once again you’ve lost me. Contraception allows sex without the likelihood of the woman getting pregnant. That’s very good for the woman in particular. It’s very good for the couple if they’re not emotionally or financially prepared to have children.

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Posted: 22 September 2006 09:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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The Final Freedoms

I’ve already spoken more than enough on this subject. If you or anyone else have any sincere interest, it is necessary to read and study the manuscript directly. It’s a free pdf file. If your own religious/spiritual conception or related prejudices prevent you from doing that, it is not for me to convince you otherwise. The new moral conception either speaks to you or not. It may be the notion, that the whole of existing religious history is in error, or maybe that an perfect absolute testable proof does now exist are ideas just too big for some to open their mind to. Those who should be interested in this teaching are those who have the imagination, faith and courage to seek out and learn what is new and not for those who would maintain the existing religious status quo. Like it or not, that status quo is about to pass into history.

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Posted: 22 September 2006 12:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Ok, thanks for the pitch, Klatu, I think we see where you’re coming from.  I think I’ll stick with my lack of “imagination” and “courage” and maintain skepticism about your claims, however.  It seems that an a priori belief in God and specific scriptures, coupled with a dose of gullibility and shame would be necessary for membership in your particular religious system.  I, for one, have come to understand that sexual behavior and psychology are explained by evolutionary biology, not by a Biblical “fall” into sin.  Doug has been great about simply challenging you to support your claims with evidence other than grandiose language or revelational proofs, and you have shown a lack of patience for such empirical challenges (which is understandable - I have had many opinions which have failed to stand up to criticism and close inspection - I learned and moved on… will you?)

At any rate, you are certainly welcome to discuss issues of faith, science, and even sex on this board… This might not be the most efficient source of courageous converts, however.  :wink:

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Posted: 23 September 2006 07:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Hi Klatu,

I’ve read your articles with interest and all you have done is present another NEW AGE RELIGION with yet ANOTHER SCRIPTURE claiming certain absolutes and relying on the UNSEEN to claim that this absolute you have presented is true.

In a crux this is your argument.

1. I believe that sex is an absolute sin.
2. Why is this true. Because God says so.
3. Why is the existence of God true. Because I (Klatu) says so.
4. Therefore sex is an absolute sin.

This CIRCULAR ARGUMENT is laughable as are all NEW AGE RELIGIONS because they pin their beliefs on the UNSEEN which no one has access to or it does not exist.

I will go with Holy Avenger on this one. While there is nothing wrong in trying to attempt to convert the FOOLISH to your NEW RELIGION, this blog is definitely the wrong blog to try such silly attempts.

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Posted: 23 September 2006 09:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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The last thing I would do to anyone, is to reject their right to choose whatever they wish to believe. If the ideas I have been describing do not speak to a man’s conscience, then it is of no value to him?

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Posted: 23 September 2006 09:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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[quote author=“klatu”]The last thing I would do to anyone, is to reject their right to choose whatever they wish to believe. If the ideas I have been describing do not speak to a man’s conscience, then it is of no value to him?

I suppose not, not if it is supposed to have some sort of ethical import. The claim that sex is somehow ‘dirty’ is pretty clearly false, and a false claim, in fact, that stems from a particularly blinkered sort of puritanical religion.

I have nothing against someone practicing their particular version of religion in private, so long as it doesn’t inconvenience anybody else. What I found rather strange in your technique, though, is that you rolled out a huge marketing statement to a public forum, extolling to the skies the greatness of your particular religion, and then when pressed for specifics or any sort of argument, you clammed up and sent us to your .pdf.

That’s not really cricket, you know.

Either you bring it out in public and deal with the resulting skeptical inquiry, investigation and argument, or you keep it your own little secret and it can be as irrational as you like.

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Posted: 23 September 2006 10:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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[quote author=“dougsmith”]The claim that sex is somehow ‘dirty’ is pretty clearly false, and a false claim, in fact, that stems from a particularly blinkered sort of puritanical religion…

Either you bring it out in public and deal with the resulting skeptical inquiry, investigation and argument, or you keep it your own little secret and it can be as irrational as you like.

Yes Doug, you are correct in this statement and I would go a bit further and suggest that there may be a sexual psychological problem with Klatu for him to suggest that sex is “dirty”.

So instead of Klatu trying to convince the world to stop having sex and engage in a spiritual relationship with his / her spouse, may I suggest the easy solution and that is that Klatu seek URGENT treatment from a psychiatrist / psychologist for his medical problem.

PS. I am sure psychiatrist must recognise this medical problem because I don’t think it is uncommon that many people suffer from thinking that sex is dirty. Refer to the Catholic priest. Although Klatu and the Catholic priest may be approaching the subject from different angles the end result is the same and that is a dislike for SEX.

Perhaps we could get a psychiatrist to comment on this condition of the human mind, or maybe you could comment here Doug!.

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