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Posted: 23 January 2011 11:09 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Sexual Grooming and Pakistani Youths
Jack Straw, the justice secretary in the former British government, sparked controversy when he accused young men of Pakistani origin in Britain as regarding vulnerable native girls as “easy meat” for sexual abuse. The Blackburn MP and one of the Labor Party’s most prominent figures challenged the Pakistani community in the United Kingdom to tackle a problem that has resulted in “Pakistani heritage men thinking it is OK to target native girls in this way”.
Mr. Straw made his remarks after two Asian men were jailed indefinitely in Nottingham for a series of rapes and sexual attacks on vulnerable girls they had picked up on the streets.
Jack Straw seems to have a campaign to demonise and stereotype Muslims. If he was honestly tackling a problem he would have done it in a different way.

Why it is a surprise that white woman are easier to get into bed than a Pakistani women and not to mention we are in the UK which happens to be a mainly white population.

I believe he concerned about the number of white female converts to Islam because some of them see the real Islam through a Pakistani brother. 
A nursery worker had been arrested for sexually abusing children aged 2-3 at a nursery. Sick, but Jack Straw does not say that there is a large number of paedo’s still around, or that the church is full of paedo priests. Why the hypocrisy?
The latest year, for which we have data, Lancashire police arrested 627 people for sexual offences. 0.3% of these were Pakistanis. That’s two people. 85.5% were white British. In Lancashire, there are 1,296,900 white Brits and 45,000 Pakistanis. This means that 4.163 per 10,000 white Brits were arrested for a sex crime, compared to 0.44 Pakistanis

If you look at my religion sex outside marriage, drink and drugs are all a sin and are forbidden. Also the third biggest sin in Islam is adultery, which these men also committed. They aren’t very good Muslims are they? The actions they committed are all against Islam and the punishment under Sharia would be….....I think you all know!!!
A major newspaper investigation linked some British Pakistani youths with the sexual exploitation of underage native girls in towns across North and Midland. Some of them are convicted of grooming underage native girls for sex because they think that these girls have fewer morals and are less valuable than Muslim girls. Now decent Pakistani men will be looked at as potential child abusers but last year 80% of child abusers were native Brits.
These Pakistani youths are British born and educated in state schools with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. They are the product of western education system which makes a man stupid, selfish and corrupt. They have been mis-educated and de-educated and they do not know where they belong. They suffer from identity crises. They speak English in local accents. They are unable to speak, read and write Urdu language. They find themselves cut off from their cultural roots and are unable to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. Such individuals are fully assimilated into British culture. What do you expect from such individuals?  Instead of sending them to prison, they should be included in New Year Honour List. In the past a Muslim girl was awarded MBE for running way from her parents. Now there are round about 6000 runaway Muslim girls in the custody of LAs. They should also be included in the Honour List.  Thanks to the British education system.
Most teenage girls, but especially the girls who hang around the streets have no roots, low self esteem etc and so is easy prey for any group - any group - who cares to seduce them. Lots of “KID’s” around 12 to 14 start partying! (drinking, doing drugs & having sex). This was happening in the 60s & 70s, so I am sure it’s worse now. The big issue is, where the PARENTS are. British parents already lost the battle to have any control over their children.
Britain’s so brilliant Education Ministry had embarked on teaching sex to 5 year olds from last year. Britain already has health and social services, including counseling for children who are sexually active. One initiative has distributed contraceptives to girls as young as 11. Tony Blair said it is the right thing to do– handing free contraceptives to British girls. The Institute for Public Policy Research found that a major reason for Britain’s thug generation was the collapse of British family life. Evidence also showed that British adults are afraid to control their drunk, high, fornicating and violent teens. The adults also lagged behind their European peers in confronting their teenagers about “antisocial” behavior.
The native Brits have double standards and are hypocrites; they don’t mention the fact that the majority of men who go to countries in East Asia looking for under aged sex are natives European men.
This is sickening. It’s no wonder Great Britain is in such a bad shape. Ten years old British girls are haveing babies out of wedlock. They are not allowed to get married but are allowed to have babies. Teenage pregnancy rate in Great Britain is the highest in Western Europe. It is a civilised country and Yemen is a backward country because it allowes young girls to get married.
Indiscipline, incivility, binge drinking, drug addiction, gun and knife crimes, teenage pregnancies and abortion are part and parcel of British schooling. These are the reasons why majority of Muslim parents would like to send their children to Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Only less than 5% attend Muslim schools and more than 95% keep on attending state and church schools to be mis-educated and de-educated by non-Muslim monolingual teachers.
There are hundreds of state and church schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.
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http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

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Posted: 23 January 2011 04:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Hmm, so tell us how you really feel about your adopted country and their citizens. I just fail to understand why you moved there in the first place, and now, why you stay. THEY are not going to turn into another muslim country. AND, I refuse to read another one of your whiny self-serving posts.

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Posted: 23 January 2011 06:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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asanta commendations for reading through all of that, I tried but my eye glazed over, although this sentence caught my attention.*

Ifti - 23 January 2011 11:09 AM

There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.

Where the hell does one go with that attitude except to hell…
and this is in Britain ey?
Jeez, they don’t even have the excuse that it is their homeland…
Kritz, give your hosts a break why don’t you.


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Posted: 23 January 2011 06:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I agree with Asanta and CC. I managed to get through about ten lines of that drivel, before I very quickly skimmed the rest.  Doesn’t the koran say something about not whining?

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Posted: 23 January 2011 08:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I don’t want to be a racist or anything like that , but here in SA we are suffering from Pakistanis as well , they are know for possession and smuggling drugs ? I don’t want them here and i feel sorry for the British people :(

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Posted: 24 January 2011 01:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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An answer from someone who is more thoughtful than you appear to be. She’s also Muslim. Yes, Western culture has problems, and yes, there are fine Muslim people, but being Muslim does not, in and of itself, provide any higher moral standing, and in fact, depending on the interpretation, actually decreases moral standing. Be willing to examine the problems caused by your religion, because everyone should be seeking growth and self awareness.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/yasmin-alibhai-brown-jack-straw-is-right-to-ask-hard-questions-about-asian-men-2180318.html

Yasmin Alibhai Brown: Jack Straw is right to ask hard questions about Asian men

Fear of racism should no longer be the veil covering up hard truths

Monday, 10 January 2011

The unrepentant British Pakistani gang leaders who violated young girls in Derby have been rightly reviled and given indefinite sentences. Their victims were almost all white. There it might have ended but for Jack Straw, who rekindled passions on all sides when he said that such Pakistani men thought these females were easy meat who deserved no respect or consideration ( I paraphrase). No solid evidence is provided by Straw to back these assertions. In fact, when he was Home Secretary he could have funded research on the matter, but failed to.

Still, even a man used to controversies must be nonplussed by the reaction to his comments. His words were thrown on to blazing pyres by fulminating leftie liberals, feminists, Muslims, Pakistanis, anti-racists and influential individuals who think of themselves as gravely responsible. It was unacceptable, they said, to racialise or ethnicise a particular crime; some even declared that any discussion of cultural factors was dangerous and racist.
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Being avowedly a leftie liberal, anti-racist, feminist, Muslim, part-Pakistani, and yes, a very responsible person, I should be in the circle with these objectors – particularly as I can’t stand the Rt Hon MP for Blackburn, his devious, shady politicking and moral expediency. However, just as when he criticised the full veil, I cannot condemn his views. How can I? Just before Christmas, I too wrote about these rapists and the anti-white cultural prejudices in some of their communities and families. It was a hard column to write, as is this one. Easier to pick your way barefoot through a dark park littered with broken glass. You need to think about every line, its effect, and know that you will step on the shard that will cut you, however carefully you tread.

I accept that on the basis of the evidence presented in court, this Derby gang was no different from that of the white grooming posse convicted in Cornwall in November. They too preyed on helpless, easily-pleased young white girls who were then used and destroyed. Most paedophiles in this country are white, and their victims too. Just because they harm their own doesn’t make it less abominable or more acceptable. What does it matter to a young, white, rape victim whether her violator has pasty or dark skin? And it is gratifying that reputable figures like Barnado’s Martin Narey and the judge in the Derby case have spoken out against wholesale racial scapegoating. We know extremists use race and crime statistics to stoke racial hatred against Britons of colour and from religious minorities. I have sometimes been a pin-up girl for the repellent BNP and English Defence League, whenever I criticise Muslims, or Asian values or black Britons who do wrong. You feel degraded and treacherous when this happens.

But I still say we need to expose and discuss more openly the underpinning values of the Asian criminal rings in many of our cities. If we don’t, the evil will grow. Fear of racism should no longer be the veil covering up hard truths. What the Derby gang did has planted and raised more racism – possibly even among good, benign people – than my words ever could. I am sure recruitment to extremist parties has gone up too. Prominent anti-racists know that, but will not openly say so.

The criminals feel they did no wrong. These girls to them are trash, asking to be wasted – unlike their own women, who must be kept from the disorderly world out there. The whore and the virgin are both feared and severely controlled and abused. A 2005 study in the Netherlands of Muslim males found the same bifurcation, and identified deep sexism as responsible for both.

The conversations can be heard every day around dining tables and on streets; they are embedded in thought and language. I once interviewed the mother of a man who had been convicted of repeatedly raping his young wife, who came from a rural village in Pakistan. The head of the nursery school the couple’s child attended had helped the victim report what was happening. In Urdu, the mother hissed: “How lucky was she to get my son? The dirty, ungrateful bitch – went to a white woman to complain. They sleep with everybody. She just didn’t know how to make him happy. We have thrown her out. She can go on the streets like those whites now.”

I have been writing about these culturally- sanctioned injustices for two decades, and have interviewed countless people. I will not melt the misdemeanours into generalities, and do not accept that ethnicity and sexual abuse cannot and should not ever be linked.

Some years back, a similar furore was raised over the Sierra Leonean journalist Sorious Samura, who made a TV documentary on the gang rape of young girls in British cities. Censured by the usual slate of apologists, he accepted that the attacks were carried out by men of all backgrounds, but pointed out that a high proportion were black or mixed-race. “As a black man as well as a journalist, I wanted to know what lay behind such attacks, the profoundly disturbing attitudes to females.”

That is what I am seeking to do too, as a Muslim journalist who cares deeply about migrants and their progress. Let’s ask questions we never ask, to find out more than we ever try to. Do these men have any idea of normal, pleasurable, healthy sex between a man and a woman? Are they maddened by their own frustration and fear of females? I am not impugning those Asian or Pakistani men who love women, but those who are too messed up to understand what that means; maybe those whose key choices, including their lifelong partners, have all been made by families operating as firms. And again, is this the most appalling pay-back for white racism? Black writers in the US, including Eldridge Cleaver, have written movingly about some of the unconscious, vengeful urges that impel black men to take up with white partners to assert power, sometimes to annihilate the person who trusts them.

Shouting down Jack Straw, busying ourselves with warnings about feeding the BNP, are displacement activities that will do nothing to stop Asian groomers, who, from childhood have developed distorted ideas about themselves, society, females, vice and virtue. Like Samura said, it is up to insiders to examine and reveal what lies beneath these crimes. We owe that to ourselves, to our future generations, and to the country we have made ours.

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Posted: 24 January 2011 01:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Bees Mom,

I am so pleased you joined CFI and bring your “knowledge” to share. You are a voice of reason among a chorus of shrill prejudicial accusations on both sides.

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Posted: 24 January 2011 02:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Bees Mom - 24 January 2011 01:37 AM

An answer from someone who is more thoughtful than you appear to be. He’s also Muslim. Yes, Western culture has problems, and yes, there are fine Muslim people, but being Muslim does not, in and of itself, provide any higher moral standing, and in fact, depending on the interpretation, actually decreases moral standing. Be willing to examine the problems caused by your religion, because everyone should be seeking growth and self awareness.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/yasmin-alibhai-brown-jack-straw-is-right-to-ask-hard-questions-about-asian-men-2180318.html

Yasmin Alibhai Brown: Jack Straw is right to ask hard questions about Asian men

Fear of racism should no longer be the veil covering up hard truths

Monday, 10 January 2011

This paragraph seemed to come closest to the core:

I accept that on the basis of the evidence presented in court, this Derby gang was no different from that of the white grooming posse convicted in Cornwall in November. They too preyed on helpless, easily-pleased young white girls who were then used and destroyed. Most paedophiles in this country are white, and their victims too. Just because they harm their own doesn’t make it less abominable or more acceptable.

What does it matter to a young, white, rape victim whether her violator has pasty or dark skin?

And it is gratifying that reputable figures like Barnado’s Martin Narey and the judge in the Derby case have spoken out against wholesale racial scapegoating. We know extremists use race and crime statistics to stoke racial hatred against Britons of colour and from religious minorities. I have sometimes been a pin-up girl for the repellent BNP and English Defence League, whenever I criticise Muslims, or Asian values or black Britons who do wrong. You feel degraded and treacherous when this happens.

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Posted: 24 January 2011 02:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Write4U - 24 January 2011 01:56 AM

Bees Mom,

I am so pleased you joined CFI and bring your “knowledge” to share. You are a voice of reason among a chorus of shrill prejudicial accusations on both sides.

Aw, shucks.  red face Thank you.

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Posted: 24 January 2011 10:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Bees Mom - 24 January 2011 02:19 AM
Write4U - 24 January 2011 01:56 AM

Bees Mom,

I am so pleased you joined CFI and bring your “knowledge” to share. You are a voice of reason among a chorus of shrill prejudicial accusations on both sides.

Aw, shucks.  red face Thank you.

I second that!  cheese
“Ifti” leaves these posts on our forum every couple of months…disappears and rarely response to any of our comments. After fleeing Pakistan to make a better life in England, he is working hard to turn the country which took him in, into a replica of the country he fled….

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Posted: 24 January 2011 12:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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asanta - 24 January 2011 10:01 AM
Bees Mom - 24 January 2011 02:19 AM
Write4U - 24 January 2011 01:56 AM

Bees Mom,

I am so pleased you joined CFI and bring your “knowledge” to share. You are a voice of reason among a chorus of shrill prejudicial accusations on both sides.

Aw, shucks.  red face Thank you.

I second that!  cheese
“Ifti” leaves these posts on our forum every couple of months…disappears and rarely response to any of our comments. After fleeing Pakistan to make a better life in England, he is working hard to turn the country which took him in, into a replica of the country he fled….

Seems there is a similar thrust here in the US, except it is Christians who are trying to insert religion back into politics and turning the clock back a few centiries.

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Posted: 24 January 2011 01:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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I think the death penalty is very much appropriate for rape.  A rapist destroys another person’s life,, in some ways, perhaps,, more so than murder.  I once saw a rapist being interviewed on the telly and he said he became much more violent against women after each of his incarcerations. I would guess this has been studied?

Are the liberal mores against the death penalty thinly founded? I certainly don’t see liberal punishment as a neccessary adjunct to a secular ethic. To the contrary,, if we were to kill all the rapists the world would be on the right path and a much better place….!

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I believe the problem with the death penalty is the irreversibility of that punishment in the case of false accusation, which, unfortunately, happens often.

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tirebiter4659 - 24 January 2011 01:56 PM

I think the death penalty is very much appropriate for rape.  A rapist destroys another person’s life,, in some ways, perhaps,, more so than murder.  I once saw a rapist being interview on the telly and he said he became much more violent against women after each of his incarcerations. I would guess this has been studied?

Are the liberal mores against the death penalty thinly founded? I certainly don’t see liberal punishment as a neccessary adjunct to a secular ethic. To the contrary,, if we were to kill all the rapists the world would be on the right path and a much better place….!

 

I saw a program years ago about a group of people that frequently gets in trouble for molesting children.

The group of people were moderately to severely mentally handicapped adults. The problem was that those that cared for them did not understand that they developed normally sexually, even though they stayed young mentally and emotionally. Therefore, no one had ever discussed sexuality with them. They weren’t bad, they just didn’t know.


If we start killing people to make it a better place, who is next after the rapists? Do you support the radical Islamists that want to kill us to make the world a better place?

Rape is a serious crime, no doubt, but there are many factors that go into making someone a rapist, and there might even be some valid methods of reform, if our penal system was actually set up to reform, which it isn’t.

I can understand the emotion that lies underneath your position, but I think that it would be better to actually work on preventing rape and treating rapists than just to simply march them off to execution. I don’t even think it’s a great deterrent, since states that have the death penalty do not have less crime.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

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Posted: 24 January 2011 03:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Texas is a good example of the problems with execution.  Since they keep the evidence involved in crimes even after conviction, a number of life or long term prisoners have managed to have DNA tests run.  Just recently there was the story of an eighteen year old African-American who was positively identified as the rapist and got something like 50 to life.  After 27 years he was offered parole but refused because he would not stipulate to having committed the crime.  A few weeks ago the rape kit was tested and found to not be his DNA.  He was released, but he had served thirty years because of a witness mistake.  While that’s horrible, had he been executed it would have been even worse because there’s no recourse.

If we spent as much money on education, mental treatment, and rehabilitation as we do on prisons, we might actually be able to reduce rape and other crimes.

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Posted: 24 January 2011 06:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Texas did have a man who was executed recently, for the murder of his daughters. After his execution, the details of the shoddiness of the initial investigation came out. When they brought real experts on board to examine the evidence, they determined that he had in fact, been innocent as he’d claimed.

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