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Posted: 29 January 2011 04:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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stevenlchilds - 29 January 2011 11:47 AM

I have heard a response that the dog does not have ESP and the response did not use a straw man tactic.  Thanks to Rocinante.  Your the only one who made an honest response to my claim.  Ok then… here is a link to say that the dog does have ESP.  It will also talk about crop circles and hoaxes of much simpler crop circles than the ones being created overnight these days.  It was Sheldrake and others who made the contest.  http://www.sheldrake.org/homepage.html  Enjoy.  Someone has insinuated that an open mind may result in brains falling out.  Oh really?  If you have bias or filters to reject truth it is not your fault perhaps.  Truth is simple; inquire.  Here is a related link on “open mind”  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI&feature=channel

I was not attempting to making any straw man tactic.  I was using sarcasm to show a point.  I am obviously a cat lover, as seen my my avatar.  My point being, I would love to believe that cats have ESP or any other animal since I love animals in general.  It would be nice if they really could warn us ahead of time about bad weather and maybe they can, but there is no scientific study that proves or disproves such claims.  To make such a claim is a matter of bias opinion, in my opinion, not a claim of fact and to be honest, we currently have a winter storm watch in effect until Monday evening, but my cats are showing no sign that they are concerned about the weather or anything else.  Now they will tell me when my son gets home from work or when someone else comes to the door before they knock.  The behaviour is totally different when they know it is my son than it is for someone else, but I question whether it is ESP or just knowing what unique sounds or whatever my son makes compared to others.  It is true they have better hearing than most humans, esp if they are not old and deaf.

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Posted: 29 January 2011 04:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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I’m waiting for my dog to ‘precognitively’ know about time change to and from DST. He gets fed at 7a and 5pm. When the time changes he gives us grief at 6am and 4pm for weeks! Time change in the other direction is much better…but he takes weeds to figure that one out too. He obviously doesn’t had ESP, otherwise he would read my mind when I want to kill him for trying to drag me out of bed an hour early for weeks…

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Posted: 29 January 2011 05:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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asanta - 29 January 2011 04:40 PM

I’m waiting for my dog to ‘precognitively’ know about time change to and from DST. He gets fed at 7a and 5pm. When the time changes he gives us grief at 6am and 4pm for weeks! Time change in the other direction is much better…but he takes weeds to figure that one out too. He obviously doesn’t had ESP, otherwise he would read my mind when I want to kill him for trying to drag me out of bed an hour early for weeks…

No, but he is in tune with his natural environment- in this case he knows time by the sun very well.  Either that or the time of day that he gets hungry does not change just because humans mess with the time.  IMHO, we should leave it alone and not have DST.  Yeah, yeah, that farmer’s thing and an extra hour of daylight.  I seriously doubt it helps them that much.

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Posted: 29 January 2011 05:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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stevenlchilds - 29 January 2011 11:47 AM

I have heard a response that the dog does not have ESP and the response did not use a straw man tactic.  Thanks to Rocinante.  Your the only one who made an honest response to my claim.  Ok then… here is a link to say that the dog does have ESP.  It will also talk about crop circles and hoaxes of much simpler crop circles than the ones being created overnight these days.  It was Sheldrake and others who made the contest.  http://www.sheldrake.org/homepage.html  Enjoy.  Someone has insinuated that an open mind may result in brains falling out.  Oh really?  If you have bias or filters to reject truth it is not your fault perhaps.  Truth is simple; inquire.  Here is a related link on “open mind”  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI&feature=channel

I was not attempting to making any straw man tactic.  I was using sarcasm to show a point.  I am obviously a cat lover, as seen my my avatar.  My point being, I would love to believe that cats have ESP or any other animal since I love animals in general.  It would be nice if they really could warn us ahead of time about bad weather and maybe they can, but there is no scientific study that proves or disproves such claims.  To make such a claim is a matter of bias opinion, in my opinion, not a claim of fact and to be honest, we currently have a winter storm watch in effect until Monday evening, but my cats are showing no sign that they are concerned about the weather or anything else.  Now they will tell me when my son gets home from work or when someone else comes to the door before they knock.  The behaviour is totally different when they know it is my son than it is for someone else, but I question whether it is ESP or just knowing what unique sounds or whatever my son makes compared to others.  It is true they have better hearing than most humans, esp if they are not old and deaf.

Cat’s hearing is much more sensitive than humans. Not only that, their whiskers are not for “feeling in the dark”, but to detect the slightest difference in air pressure when something moves. Truth is that most all evolved animals have developed natural survival skills that dwarf human abilities, i.e. hearing, smell, eyesight, and abilities to detect many things outside the capability of humans. This is why they have become or remained successful species, either as predator or as prey. Precognition has never been mentioned by science as an inherent ability of any animal.
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This acoustic ability of domestic cats explains why they occasionally seem to possess supernatural powers. They hear and interpret the ultrasonic sounds that precede a noisy activity and react fittingly before we have even realized that something strange is fixing occur.

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Posted: 29 January 2011 05:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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Yes, Write4you, that is what I was saying towards the end of my last post, but that is not 100% true.  As cats age, some lose their hearing or even go completely deaf.  This can happen to dogs too.  In the case of cats with blue eyes, except certain breeds like Siamese and alike, a cat, as a rule is deaf in one or both ears depending if one or both eyes are blue.  As I said, there are exceptions to this rule.  I have a cat the is a Siamese mix and she is not at all deaf with two blue eyes.  She hears very well, when she wants.  Of course, a cat doesn’t have to have one or two blue eyes to eventually go deaf later in life.  Bottom line, there are exemptions to the rule that other animals have better hearing than humans.

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Posted: 29 January 2011 05:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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A dog going to a window or door is simply too subjective to judge what it is thinking, much less to claim some unknown, undetected power is in play.  A power that would cause a complete rewriting of every science principal and law.  Scientists would love to prove something like this.  But no one has proven it.  They have tried.  But so far, no evidence for a power that violates every currently known scientific principal and law has been found - especially just by a dog going to a window.   

I could believe that a dog could detect its owner’s unique engine noise from the same car coming home every day around the same time - perhaps from a block or so away; or even detecting its owner’s unique smell from a similar distance.  Studying these known senses in dogs would yield much more interesting results.

Extraordinary claims (which this is) requires extraordinary evidence.  A dog going to a window is not extraordinary evidence.  If this is the best that ESP believers have after over a hundred years of trying to find ESP, then it would seem they don’t have very much.

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Posted: 29 January 2011 05:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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To continue this - another demonstration of the superiority of females.  Female, white blue eyed cats are much less likely to be deaf than male blue eyed white cats.  We had a female who was fine, but her son was completely deaf.  He enjoyed climbing onto the cannister vacuum when it was running and lying on it, probably because of the warmth and vibration.  I just realized - cats must have a secret language to teach the young ones to be snotty as far as humans go, because he was extremely gentle and more like a dog than a cat.  He just didn’t get the word from the local adult cats.  LOL

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Posted: 29 January 2011 06:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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Rocinante - 29 January 2011 05:52 PM

A dog going to a window or door is simply too subjective to judge what it is thinking, much less to claim some unknown, undetected power is in play.  A power that would cause a complete rewriting of every science principal and law.  Scientists would love to prove something like this.  But no one has proven it.  They have tried.  But so far, no evidence for a power that violates every currently known scientific principal and law has been found - especially just by a dog going to a window.   

I could believe that a dog could detect its owner’s unique engine noise from the same car coming home every day around the same time - perhaps from a block or so away; or even detecting its owner’s unique smell from a similar distance.  Studying these known senses in dogs would yield much more interesting results.

Extraordinary claims (which this is) requires extraordinary evidence.  A dog going to a window is not extraordinary evidence.  If this is the best that ESP believers have after over a hundred years of trying to find ESP, then it would seem they don’t have very much.

My son is 21, rides a bike to and from work, so my cats don’t hear any engine.

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Posted: 29 January 2011 06:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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Mriana - 29 January 2011 06:00 PM
Rocinante - 29 January 2011 05:52 PM

A dog going to a window or door is simply too subjective to judge what it is thinking, much less to claim some unknown, undetected power is in play.  A power that would cause a complete rewriting of every science principal and law.  Scientists would love to prove something like this.  But no one has proven it.  They have tried.  But so far, no evidence for a power that violates every currently known scientific principal and law has been found - especially just by a dog going to a window.   

I could believe that a dog could detect its owner’s unique engine noise from the same car coming home every day around the same time - perhaps from a block or so away; or even detecting its owner’s unique smell from a similar distance.  Studying these known senses in dogs would yield much more interesting results.

Extraordinary claims (which this is) requires extraordinary evidence.  A dog going to a window is not extraordinary evidence.  If this is the best that ESP believers have after over a hundred years of trying to find ESP, then it would seem they don’t have very much.

My son is 21, rides a bike to and from work, so my cats don’t hear any engine.

But it may well hear the tires on the pavement or the chain rattling over the sprockets.

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Posted: 29 January 2011 06:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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Not precognition, but some animals have a great sense of humor.  Many years ago my first wife bought a young African Gray parrot.  A neighbor with eight kids (usually disributed throughout the neighborhood) would blow her VW Minivan horn as she came home and all the kids would run out of their friends’ houses and go home to help with dinner.  Our parrot saw this so after a few days the girls left and ran outside, but their mother was nowhere to be seen.  This happened about four times than I saw the bird would look at the girls playing in the family room and go, “Whonk, whonk”, a perfect imitation of of a VW horn.  It was clear that she was having fun driving the kids crazy.  smile

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Posted: 29 January 2011 06:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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I have to share this joke.

Old lady has a parrot, which can only say “who is it”?
Lady goes shopping and the plumber comes to fix the faucet. He knocks on the door and from inside comes “who is it”?
Plumber answers “it’s the plumber”!  Again the question, “who is it”?  Plumber yells loudly, It’s the plumber”!!!
Again the voice from inside “who is it”?  Plumber screams “it’s the plumber”!!!! and has a heart attack from the excitement.
Later the old lady comes home opens the door and sees this figure laying on the ground. In dismay she exclaims, “my god, who’s is it”?
Parrot yells from within, “It’s the plummer”!..... LOL

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Posted: 29 January 2011 10:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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stevenlchilds - 29 January 2011 11:47 AM

I have heard a response that the dog does not have ESP and the response did not use a straw man tactic.  Thanks to Rocinante.  Your the only one who made an honest response to my claim.  Ok then… here is a link to say that the dog does have ESP.  It will also talk about crop circles and hoaxes of much simpler crop circles than the ones being created overnight these days.  It was Sheldrake and others who made the contest.  http://www.sheldrake.org/homepage.html  Enjoy.  Someone has insinuated that an open mind may result in brains falling out.  Oh really?  If you have bias or filters to reject truth it is not your fault perhaps.  Truth is simple; inquire.  Here is a related link on “open mind”  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI&feature=channel

YOU still have offered NO proof of a psychic dog. Anecdote is not the same as data. I am NOT insinuating that an open mind results in a brain falling out. I am bluntly stating that you shouldn’t be so uncritically accepting of every piece of unsubstantiated BS that comes through the pipeline. Your stance does NOT equate with being skeptical.

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Posted: 30 January 2011 04:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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stevenlchilds - 29 January 2011 09:35 AM

My source for this information is from unseen beings that have the ability to inform me.

You should probably tell your friends and family about these unseen beings.  They need to know.

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Posted: 30 January 2011 05:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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stevenlchilds - 29 January 2011 09:35 AM

My source for this information is from unseen beings that have the ability to inform me.

You should probably tell your friends and family about these unseen beings.  They need to know.

...Or other medical professional (I am not and do not pretend to be a mental health professional, but as a layperson, I totally agree…)

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Posted: 30 January 2011 08:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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Closed minded Skeptics give Humanists a bad name.  They are guilty by association.  Oh, for those who are interested, Glenn Beck has been diagnosed with Small fiber Neuropathy. It is a fate worse than death. It causes a blaze of heat pain from cold. Give me liberty or give me death. Here is a link: http://www.ccjm.org/content/76/5/297.full  The burden of proof is on our claims.  You can try to disagree with me.  Are we having fun yet?

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