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Posted: 12 February 2011 01:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 121 ]
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noselfwilling - 11 February 2011 07:07 PM

Atheists go to Hell. Atheists are the losers in God’s design because they are bad people and want to remain that way.

Maybe we’re just a trick by god to test your faith? In which case, we’re, like, totally his favourites!

You know, I don’t remember ever seeing Richard Dawkins and Charles Darwin in the same room together. Surely, that isn’t just a coincidence, since infinite regress means that they’ve happened before and so therefore are completely aware of each other!! Obviously, Satan!

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Posted: 12 February 2011 01:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 122 ]
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asanta - 12 February 2011 01:04 AM
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Put yourself in the shoes of God for a moment.

Put yourself in your own shoes. Why would an all powerful invisible imaginary skydaddy need them?

Put yourself in your own shoes and ask the question since nature can’t start up all by itself and can’t always have existed, necessarily, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, and this is whom you can call God or the uncreated Creator.

Put yourself in God’s shoes. God’s glory is expressed in His creating. He is relational and personal so He enjoys relating to His creation, especially man made in His image and those who receive His mercy and grace.

Now put yourself back in your own shoes in God and ask the question, since you want to be eternally separated from God, where are you going to go but Hell, since obviously, you can’t be with those who love God, since God would be unloving to let you out of that eternal jail, just like society must keep some people in jail for life.

This sounds like the beginning of an Old Spice Commercial tongue wink

Damn you Asanta!! Now that jingle is going through my head! grin

Wait a minute… “... the uncreated Creator”. Really? You’re clearly not very good at this.

BTW: Noselfwilling, how do you know I’m not God?

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Posted: 12 February 2011 01:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 123 ]
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1. Jesus died by crucifixion. 2. He was buried. 3. His death caused the disciples to despair and lose hope. 4. The tomb was empty (the most contested). 5. The disciples had experiences which they believed were literal appearances of the risen Jesus (the most important proof). 6. The disciples were transformed from doubters to bold proclaimers. 7. The resurrection was the central message. 8. They preached the message of Jesus’ resurrection in Jerusalem. 9. The Church was born and grew. 10. Orthodox Jews who believed in Christ made Sunday their primary day of worship. 11. James was converted to the faith when he saw the resurrected Jesus (James was a family skeptic). 12. Paul was converted to the faith (Paul was an outsider skeptic).

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Posted: 12 February 2011 01:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 124 ]
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noselfwilling - 12 February 2011 01:23 AM

1. Jesus died by crucifixion. 2. He was buried. 3. His death caused the disciples to despair and lose hope. 4. The tomb was empty (the most contested). 5. The disciples had experiences which they believed were literal appearances of the risen Jesus (the most important proof). 6. The disciples were transformed from doubters to bold proclaimers. 7. The resurrection was the central message. 8. They preached the message of Jesus’ resurrection in Jerusalem. 9. The Church was born and grew. 10. Orthodox Jews who believed in Christ made Sunday their primary day of worship. 11. James was converted to the faith when he saw the resurrected Jesus (James was a family skeptic). 12. Paul was converted to the faith (Paul was an outsider skeptic).

Nosy, this is NOT a conversation. It is proselytizing and spamming. You are not even trying to have a conversation.
I say there is a holy teapot circling the King Planet Jupiter. And we should worship the mighty teapot which is wise beyond words, and answers my every prayer. The holy teapot will return to earth soon. I have just as much proof of the existence of my teapot as you have of your jesus.

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Posted: 12 February 2011 01:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 125 ]
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asanta - 12 February 2011 01:38 AM
noselfwilling - 12 February 2011 01:23 AM

1. Jesus died by crucifixion. 2. He was buried. 3. His death caused the disciples to despair and lose hope. 4. The tomb was empty (the most contested). 5. The disciples had experiences which they believed were literal appearances of the risen Jesus (the most important proof). 6. The disciples were transformed from doubters to bold proclaimers. 7. The resurrection was the central message. 8. They preached the message of Jesus’ resurrection in Jerusalem. 9. The Church was born and grew. 10. Orthodox Jews who believed in Christ made Sunday their primary day of worship. 11. James was converted to the faith when he saw the resurrected Jesus (James was a family skeptic). 12. Paul was converted to the faith (Paul was an outsider skeptic).

Nosy, this is NOT a conversation. It is proselytizing and spamming. You are not even trying to have a conversation.
I say there is a holy teapot circling the King Planet Jupiter. And we should worship the mighty teapot which is wise beyond words, and answers my every prayer. The holy teapot will return to earth soon. I have just as much proof of the existence of my teapot as you have of your jesus.

“Look at his argument, now back at yours. Sadly, his argument is not an argument, but it could be, if he was someone else.”

Do you have a horse, Asanta? Because we need one at this point.

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Posted: 12 February 2011 01:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 126 ]
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Peter did say, “God raised him up the third day, and shewed him openly; Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead” (Acts 10.40,41).

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Posted: 12 February 2011 01:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 127 ]
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Bees Mom - 12 February 2011 01:42 AM

“Look at his argument, now back at yours. Sadly, his argument is not an argument, but it could be, if he was someone else.”

Do you have a horse, Asanta? Because we need one at this point.

...and a very good looking hunk of a male! Preferably with a glass of wine and talented hands for a massage. smile

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Posted: 12 February 2011 04:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 128 ]
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Step 1 and 2 of the original 4 Step Proof and NEW 4 Step Proof are the same (Rom. 1.20): 1) mankind would have approximated into a past eternity and not still be sinning to the extent we still do along the exponential progression of conscience we are clearly on, and 2) nature always has a cause from something so it can’t come from nothing.

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Posted: 12 February 2011 06:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 129 ]
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Listen to some Linkin Park while you read this,

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Revelation 6.12 occurs right before the Tribulation since the Seals are the past twenty centuries. “And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood.”

That great earthquake was Haiti 2010 (5th worst natural disaster in human history).
That sun black as sackcloth is the H3 Solar Eclipse (long-dated) Nov. 3, 2013 (4th since Christ).
The moon red as blood occurs in 2014/15 on passover, tabernacles, and again, on passover and tabernacles (8th time since Christ).
The H3-Tetrad combo is the 1st since Christ.

How do we know this is the trifecta God is showing us? After all rare events happen all the time.

In 1949/50 the 6th Tetrad occurred when Israel signed the armistice treaty after becoming a nation May 14, 1948. God considers peace on paper. In 1967/68 the 7th Tetrad occurred when Israel entered Jerusalem on June 7, 1967. Why is this so important? Because of what Matthew 24 days: “Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh” (v.33). The fig tree represents Israel. The summer is the millennial kingdom. “Summer is nigh” implies within a generation. Since 1948, 2015 will be 67 years. Anymore is more than “nigh”.

There are 900 billion barrels of oil left in the world. At an average of 35 billion barrels a year, we have 25 years left of recoverable oil which takes us to 2035. If they find no new oil then the world will be producing 0 barrels of oil a year from 2035 on and the demand will be over 130 billion a year. A war will be fought for the few remaining drops of oil at least 10 years before 2035. The 2015 to 2022 timeline fits very well with this scenario, since Armageddon would then take place from 2020 to 2022.

God is angry. 10,000 people die a day due to to starvation, and at least 50,000 people die every day needlessly. Man is murderous to his fellow man. Add on top of that untold number of abortions every day, since man keeps murdering his fellow man, a great flood is coming: “the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined” (Dan. 9.26), even to the end of the 7 year Tribulation in Dan. 9.27.

“So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors” (Matt. 24.33). So we can know when the Tribulation starts which precedes the millennial kingdom. There won’t be another Total Lunar Tetrad till 2582/83 so this is it folks!
Let’s see if the 2,520th day from Sept. 14, 2015 Feast of Trumpets, which typifies the First Rapture, falls on a holiday? Darn, the 2,520th day doesn’t fall on a holiday. The closest is Tisha B’Av on the 2,519th day on a Saturday, Av. 9, Aug. 6, 2022. But wait, whenever it is held on a Sabbath Tisha B’Av is held the day after. In 2022 that would be on Av 10, Aug. 7, 2022. That’s a Sunday. Whew! Feels like a miracle.

Interestingly, 2,520 is smallest number divisible by all numbers from 2 to 10. I am 100% sure that is no coincidence. I love these pieces of the puzzle God gives us to the discerning.

But wait. This will all be for nought because there needs be a significant date 75 days after because Jesus steps down on the 1260th day of the Great Tribulation, judges the nations to the 1290th day and sets up Israel as the center of all nations to the 1335th day. The 75th day is Oct. 21, 2022. Where’s the holiday? Doesn’t look like there is any. But wait. Feast of Tabernacles is on Oct. 10, 2022. It goes for 7 days to Oct. 16. Then follows two holidays on the 17th and 18th, the second which is Simchat Torah when the Jews either bring out the three items of the ark or the Torah Scrolls to read them. So it seems we are some days off. It’s nice though that the 1335th day is after the 3 feasts that pertain to when Jesus returns.

But wait! The Holy Spirit told me why the 1335th day is the 21st. Just like there is a 4 day inspection of the lamb before Passover, there is a 4 day inspection of the work of God to begin His millennial reign in the 3rd Temple. No animal sacrifice will take place, for Jesus is the Lamb of God. The 4 day inspection will be Oct. 18, 19, 20, 21. Oct. 21, 2022 is the 4th day of the inspection of the Lamb or Lion of Judah, so the millennial kingdom commences Oct. 22, 2022. Whew! That’s better. Fits like a glove.

Feast of Trumpets (Sept. 14, 2015) deals with the first rapture according to readiness (Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10). Feast of Atonement (Sept. 23, 2015) ushers in the Jubilee year which should be 2015 but is postponed due to the wrath of God and wrath of Satan coming head to head. Tabernacles, of course, represents the tabernacling among men: His presence in the millennial kingdom that transitions us for the New City afterwards.

But God gives us yet another sign as if we needed anymore. There are 49 years x 360 days per year (17,640 days) from June 7, 1967 to the Day of Atonement Sept. 23, 2015. That’s no coincidence friends.

But wait! He yet gives us even another sign. “And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed” (Dan. 8.14). When the Temple is constructed, it is still dirty, because the Jews are using it for the wrong reason. They are not to use it to perform sacrifices, but it is supposed to be built for Jesus to reign in during the 1000 years. It will be cleansed when Jesus returns immediately, because His very presence is cleansing, but there will be 45 days of setting up Israel as the center of all nations from the 1290th to the 1335th day, before Jesus steps in as it were.

Since the Temple needs to be completed before the last 2300 days of the Tribulation, does the 1st day of the 2300 days fall on a significant date? That date is April 21, 2016. Passover is April 22, 2016. April 21 is again the 4th day of inspection of the Lamb. The 4 days of inspection of the Lamb are from April 18 (Nisan 10), 19, 20, 21. Well that works.

What else? Can we place the Two Witnesses on two significant dates spanning 1260 days? Amazingly we can. There are 1260 days from April 18, 2016 to Sept. 30, 2019 Feast of Trumpets. What are the odds of that? God does not roll dice.

The Great Tribulation starts Feb. 25, 2019 (Rev. 9.1) with its 3 woes. The 2nd woe starts 5 months later on July 25, 2019 and 13 months after the 2nd woe is done, the 3rd woe begins on Aug. 18, 2020 which goes for 24 months.

The first rapture according to readiness is Sept. 14, 2015 Feast of Trumpets (Rev. 7.9), and the general rapture and resurrection occur on the first day of the 3rd woe (Rev. 11.15) on Aug. 18, 2020.

Jesus steps down Aug. 7, 2022.

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Posted: 12 February 2011 06:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 130 ]
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Stop. No one is going to read that. Please stop posting the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I think it was on your “4 step proof for god” thread that someone pointed out that you selectively respond to people, and even then, within a couple of posts you always revert back to repeating the same base claims that you have already made. Many of us have taken the time to Engage with you critically, and respond in detail, but you seem to lack any respect for our efforts to have discussion with you, and instead care more about preaching this stupid message ad nauseam. Beyond just being inconsiderate, this seems inconsistent with the character of the God you keep claiming exists who is “personal” and “loving.”

The most disappointing thing to me is that many of us seem to have a more intimate knowledge of scripture, biblical scholarship, and theology than you do. I don’t know how old you are or what your background is (though from your sensational eschatological assertions and apparent complete lack of scholarly training I’m betting you’re a baptist, adventist, or Quaker), but you seriously need to engage in the larger conversation of your faith. There are some really incredible thinkers in the Christian tradition, and reading some of then might help you be able to actually converse and engage with people instead of dehumanizing them by spraying proselytization. Augustine, Barth, Aquinas, Mary Daly, Herman Sasse, Moltmann, Tillich, N. T. Wright, Polkinghorne…you should realize the diversity of thought that falls under the Christian tradition. When you see how elegant these folks’ arguments are, and how they go about critiquing and responding to one another, maybe then you’ll understand how it is appropriate to discuss ideas of god to groups of atheists, agnostics and scientific thinkers.

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Posted: 12 February 2011 07:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 131 ]
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Someone just told me they read it and said it sounds reasonable.

If you avoid the proof, then what can one do but repeat the proof. Again, you’re avoiding the proof, so here’s the proof,

The New 4 Step Proof for God of the Bible
Infinite Regress is Impossible

1. We observe trillions and trillions of cause and effects in nature, and no hard evidence something comes from nothing, which is an overwhelming preponderance of evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. If there was an infinite regress you would have happened already having had an eternity do so. And you would never have existed because the past would continue to go on for eternity never reaching this point. As you can see, infinite regress in all its varieties (e.g. cycles, mutiverses) is inherently contradictory and therefore, false.

Something Can’t Come From Nothing

2. Something can’t come from nothing (non-existence) either, because that which does not exist can’t cause anything. Nothing always leaves nothing from nothing. Energy can be neither created nor destroyed. It can only change forms. In any process in an isolated system, the total energy remains the same. Since that which does not exist has no energy, it cannot produce a singularity for the universe. Many times I have heard atheists say, “The properties of the universe are different from the whole, so the composition doesn’t abide in cause and effect when it was brought into being.” Of course, this is doublespeak because for something to be “brought into being” requires a cause.

A Mind is Needed to Create a Mind

3. Since nature can’t always have existed nor start up from nothing, there must exist that which is outside of nature, that is, outside of time and space which always existed. This is whom we call the uncreated Creator. If you want to compare an always existing timeless singularity to the uncreated Creator, simply observe what we know that that which doesn’t have a mind, will, emotion, conscience, intuition, or self-consciousness can’t produce that which does. The lesser can never produce the greater. There has not even been enough interatomic interactions in the history of the universe to be able to do so. If you claim time is needed to bring about this universe from a singularity but the singularity has no time then this universe would never have existed if a causeless singularity existed.

The Resurrection Proves Jesus is God

4. Now that we know the uncreated Creator exists, we can compare. A God who is accessible and personal is better than one that is not. Only in Christianity do we find God enters His creation and dies for the sins of the world and proves He is our Creator by resurrecting Himself from the dead which can only occur supernaturally. Since almost all skeptical scholars concede for good reasons the disciples truly believed they saw Jesus alive from the dead in various group settings and there are no naturalistic explanations that can account for the origin of the disciples beliefs (having exhausted them all), we should submit ourselves to this evidence, because if a person doesn’t, they will surely go to Hell according to Jesus our Creator.

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Posted: 12 February 2011 07:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 132 ]
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Moderators, please ban this troll. Everyone else, put him on your Ignore List.

This has grown tiresome.

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Posted: 12 February 2011 07:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 133 ]
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It’s like a fine piece of art. You can stare at it for hours it’s so beautiful. It’s priceless.

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Posted: 12 February 2011 07:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 134 ]
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Why don’t they ban these trolls such as DarronS?

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Posted: 12 February 2011 07:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 135 ]
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noselfwilling - 12 February 2011 07:25 AM

Why don’t they ban these trolls such as DarronS?

Noselfwilling, if you wish to remain here to debate, you will have to remain aware of our RULES, in particular no trolling, and no violations of rule 3(h) : “Threads that consist of repetitive posting of the same comments, information, or links without meaningful development or responsive discussion will be considered a form of spamming or trolling”.  We have no problem with people who want to come on here and debate, but sticking your fingers in your ears and repeating the same, refuted stuff over and over again isn’t debate. It’s childishness.

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