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Should Secularists Have Man-Free Events?

May 31, 2013

Women only sign pushing a man off of the signInspired by UNIFI and other campus groups' activities, the Secular Alliance at Indiana University has been debating the advantages and the risks of hosting women-only events. I think some of the arguments raised by both sides will be useful and relevant to other groups seeking to reach out to different demographics and combat internal inequalities. In the hopes of encouraging more widespread discussion of ways to concretely improve our communities, I raise four objections to the idea of an exclusive women's group, and four responses to those objections. [Editor's note: Illini SSA is a CFI-affiliated group that has been successful in creating a Ladies' Night event for their women members.]

1. A women's group serves no purpose.

Having smaller meetings for secularists with specific shared interests or backgrounds can be very rewarding for those members. It's a fact that women in our society tend to have a number of common experiences that men don't, including encounters with religious strictures and expectations that don't apply to men. If a women's group helps members talk more freely about these experiences - and/or is just a crazy amount of fun - then it has a purpose.

Suppose your group has 25 men in it, 5 women. Would it be more useful to advertise in such a way that you get 10 more men, or 5 more women? ‘10 more men' may seem like the obvious choice - it's more people! But in the long run a slightly smaller but more diverse group is likely to be more vibrant and self-perpetuating. It makes it easier to get more members in the future, and to keep the ones you already have. Statistically, men and women also tend to have different talents, interests, and beliefs, which means that diversifying in one way can help you diversify in many others.

Whether this is the best solution may vary from group to group, but most groups would probably benefit from at least talking the option over. Even groups with a well-balanced membership and leadership could benefit from having a women's subgroup - because it erodes low-grade gender bias, for example. As Virginia Valian notes, men tend to interact with women as they do with inferiors, avoiding eye contact when the woman is speaking and taking for granted that they aren't in leadership positions. In a 1975 study by Don Zimmerman and Candice West, men were found to interrupt women in conversation over twenty times as often as women interrupted men. Having a space for women to talk can counteract that effect. It can also draw attention to the disparity, making women more likely to speak out when they're talked over or dismissed. After attending a women's meeting, SAIU member Ashley Carroll noted to me:

We got to talk, and for the vast majority of the women present, that was the first time I'd heard them voicing opinions at an SAIU meeting. It struck me that they might always have something to say - but it was only in this environment that they felt comfortable enough to do so. [...] There's a lot to be said for giving women a space to speak, and for that comfort to carry over to the larger group as a whole. 

2. Forming gendered groups obstructs communication between men and women, which undermines our goal of mutual understanding.

Improving such understanding is indeed a major long-term goal, but it has to be balanced against goals like expanding our membership, allowing members to express themselves more freely, and having fun. If a women's group serves the latter goals, it can be justified at least as easily as a secular sewing group or secular book club could be justified. Not everyone regularly sews or reads, but it doesn't hurt the group to give people who do share those interests a new outlet.

There's a grain of truth in this objection, in that we don't want to let the group completely factionalize and stop talking; but for each group, depending on how active or diverse it is, there will be a safe zone where adding more selective meetings increases interest and involvement rather than diminishing it.

3. Banning men from certain events is discriminatory and alienates members.

One way of expressing this objection is to demand that if women get their own events from which men are barred, then men should also get events that exclude women.

But some forms of exclusion can be OK, even if others are not. A group that excludes women is not equivalent to one that excludes men, for the simple reason that we live in a culture that heavily privileges men over women. Creating events that increase the autonomy of men at the expense of women reinforces that disparity, whereas creating events that increase the autonomy of women at the expense of men does not, and may even erode certain inequalities.

Consider a group that was only for black Americans, to give them a safe space to share their experiences with racism without having to explain or justify things to people of other ethnic and cultural backgrounds. This might not be a completely unproblematic idea, but it at least is a lot easier to see the justification and use for such a group than it is to see the justification for a whites-only group. Similarly, a group that was only for gay men (excluding, e.g., straight allies) could be justified without appeal to essentialism or intrinsic superiority (and without endorsing groups that ban gay men!), simply by noting that our culture imposes different expectations and experiences on gay men and that there may be a need for people of this demographic to express themselves in a place where they feel relatively safe, supported, and understood. If these two sorts of groups make sense, then a group that's only for women also makes sense.

4. A women's group presupposes a clear gender dichotomy.

Not every freethinker or humanist identifies exclusively or exhaustively as a 'man' or a 'woman'. How will they know whether they're welcome at a women-only event? Genderqueer, intersex, etc. college students are likely to already be suffering as a result of our society's mania with fitting everyone into ready-made boxes. The last thing we want is to make them feel that they have to 'pick a side' or explicitly justify their gender identity (which may differ from their gender expression, their genital sex, their chromosome line-up, etc.) to a bunch of near-strangers, just to participate in some light recreation and enlightening discussion.

This is probably the biggest problem with a women's group. Even if it seems unlikely that someone who shows up to one of the women's events and doesn't identify as a man but ‘looks too male' might be mistreated, the bare possibility may cause some of our members to feel anxious, confused, excluded, or erased. Adding more groups (like an LGBT one) might help in this respect, but it wouldn't totally solve the problem, because it would still depend on forcing people to figure out the vagaries of their personal identity before they can come play Jenga or go horseback riding. Creating a group for ‘non-men' rather than for ‘women' would be more inclusive, but it doesn't totally eliminate the problem, because there will always be people whose status as a ‘man' is undefined or who fall outside the group only as a technicality.

I think the only adequate response to this objection is to talk about it and hear what individual members think. We can't eliminate every possible way we could offend anybody in advance, before we've actually talked things over face-to-face. But we can raise the issue in a sensitive and open-minded way, letting everyone express why they think it's a great idea, or why it troubles them, or how they'd like the events to be framed. There's no way we'll please everyone, but at least people will feel they've been heard.

If we end up affirming the need for events like this in spite of their dependence on defined genders, I expect it will be because we live in a culture where it's simply a fact that 'women', as conceived by the masses and by cultural authorities, are a reified class. You don't need to erase bisexuals or essentialize 'gayness' or 'maleness' in order to build a group responding to the fact that gay men are a special group defined and disadvantaged by our culture. And you don't need to erase mixed-race people or essentialize 'blackness' in order to build a group responding to the fact that black people are a special group defined and oppressed by our existing culture.

Similarly, a group for women can be defined in terms of the sorts of experiences being treated as 'a woman' inevitably involved in our society. Even if you don't strongly identify as a ‘woman', if you feel you've had those experiences, you're welcome to join the group. Pretending socially constructed groups don't exist won't make them go away, and it certainly won't alleviate any of the inequalities that attend their construction.


About the Author: Robby Bensinger

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Robby Bensinger is a graduate of Indiana University. His background is in philosophy, religious studies, and critical thinking activism, and he has been a member of the Secular Alliance at Indiana University since its inception in 2008.


#1 Stef on Saturday June 01, 2013 at 10:18am

This is a great post. I know that when the UNIFI officers decided to go forward with our women-only events, not everyone agreed that it was a good idea (though no one raised too much of a fuss). The result, however, was that we attracted women to our events who hadn't come much before, and it gave the women of the group a chance to get to know each other better. This particular issue aside, I know that generally focusing more on making sure the women in UNIFI felt welcome has had a positive impact on the diversity of the group. Case in point: two years ago, I was the only woman on an eight-person leadership team. This year, there are five women out of six, and they are all there because of their merits, not their gender. That's not to say that affirmative action shouldn't be used, but I was excited to see that simply putting some extra effort into keeping women interested in and involved in the group yielded overall positive results for the quality of our membership and of our leadership team.




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