Pslam 22 is the crucifixion story!?!
Posted: 12 October 2006 10:54 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Compare to the stories in Mark and Matthew!

Pslam 22:

1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from the words of my groaning?

2 O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, and am not silent.

3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the praise of Israel.


7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads:

8 "He trusts in the LORD;
let the LORD rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him."


16 Dogs have surrounded me;
a band of evil men has encircled me,
they have pierced my hands and my feet.

17 I can count all my bones;
people stare and gloat over me.

18 They divide my garments among them
and cast lots for my clothing.

19 But you, O LORD, be not far off;
O my Strength, come quickly to help me.

26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
they who seek the LORD will praise him█
may your hearts live forever!

27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the LORD,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,

28 for dominion belongs to the LORD
and he rules over the nations.

29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
all who go down to the dust will kneel before him█
those who cannot keep themselves alive.

30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord.

31 They will proclaim his righteousness
to a people yet unborn█
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Posted: 13 October 2006 08:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I put together a quick comparison between the crucifixion story in Matthew/Mark (they are basically the same) and other texts, including Pslam 22.

See below:


Posted: 16 October 2006 02:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Good catch!  You ought to read Gospel Fictions by Randell Helms.  He makes the case that the early Christians didn’t really have a good account of the crucifixion, so they scoured the Old Testament looking for “prophecies” and used them to compile a composite account of Jesus’ entire life.  The “miracles” of Jesus are lifted straight from the “miracles” of Old Testament prophets, for example.

Posted: 16 October 2006 03:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Yes, it’s certainly clear that the writers and redacters of the Gospels were very familiar with the Old Testament, and saw themselves as basically setting out the case that Jesus fulfilled ancient prophecies. So they chose their wording quite carefully to that end.



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