You say you want everyone to address the misstatements in skepchiks video rather than addressing the faults with homeopathy, but you can’t separate the two.
Says who, you?
Her comments are ABOUT the flaws in homeopathy
And a lot of her comments are FLAWED!!! That’s kinda the point of my thread. ;)
You seem to want everyone to accept that homeopathy is a legitimate type of treatment and move on from there but skeptics arent going to do that.
Where have I done that?
She doesn’t have to prove that its scam. The onus is on homeopathy to prove its an effective treatment. Something it has not done after more than a century.
So I can claim you are a bank robber, but it’s up to you to prove you are not?
As I’ve said in previous posts, the volume of people using this type of treatment ( and I question your numbers for which you offer no reliable source) is not an indication of its effectiveness. People do lots of stupid things and they do them in large numbers. Despite your protest, religion is a very good comparison. Homeopathy is based on faith not science. People such as yourself WANT to believe that homeopathy works and will continue to use it despite the complete lack of evidence.
Well that really didn’t answer my question, but whatever.
This is a very accurate comment. Herbs are mostly useless. The small number of herbal compounds that have a therapeutic effect do so because they have a drug in them not because they have some magical power. By definition anything that has biological activity IS a drug. Purveyors of herbs simply havent taken the time or cared enough to figure out what the compound is in there that has therapeutic value nor have they made any effort to figure out what the possible side effects are. The vast majority of herbs are just ineffective and useless and some are downright harmful but as she said some do have a minimal effect. her comment is quite accurate
So herbs only have a “small” effect because humans have overstated their effectiveness as a whole?!? Wow. Btw, I had an traditional MD warn me about herbs and how they could have powerful effects. Should I listen to him, or Skepchick?
And perhaps you could explain in biological terms exactly how homeopathically prepared ecoli is different than any other sort of e.coli?
For you to critisize her comments you have to explain what is incorrect about them.
You are missing the point (which seems to be a common theme here). She says “according to Homeopathy” and that’s not what Homeopathy says how to treat E Coli, regardless of if the method works or not. That’s the problem I have; her misinformation of Homeopathy.
I take it because you guys don’t believe in Homeopathy, you can spread any amount of misinformation about it?
This is a ridiculous complaint. Skepchick is making an editorial comment and has exaggerated for effect to make a point. Perhaps you didnt understand that. And what difference would it make weather you dumped it in a huge pool or diluted it a thousand times in smaller containers. Seriously, you cant even explain the scientific basis of homeopathic methods but youre going to quibble about little detail of how the preparation is made?
Misinformation is misinformation and as to explaining how homeopathy works, well that might be misinformation on my part because I don’t know how it works, just like most homeopaths don’t really know how it works.
She doesnt need to make a disclaimer. This is a theory proposed by practitioners of homeopathy. If you dont like the fact that this is being presented as the only theory behind the mechanism of homeopathy then homeopathy has only itself to blame. After all these years it has yet to come up with a cogent scientific theory for its claimed benefits. Her comment about water memory is accurate in that it is the only method that homeopathy has proposed.
She doesn’t need to correct her misinformation? Gotcha. I’ve heard various theories on how homeopathy works. Perhaps “water memory” is the leading theory, but you know what can happen with leading theories.
I dont really understand the point you are trying to make here
Well why did she bring up “sewage water” with the connection to Homeopathy? It seems the point she was trying to make actually backfires on her as I explained.
I can’t give you a number because I doubt this is tracked anywhere but as a physician I can tell you about a case i saw as a resident when a 25 year old woman presented to our ER after being treated by a homeopath for several weeks with “ink of cuttlefish” for a febrile illness. She was acutely ill and barely clinging to life when she came to the ER and died within a matter of hours from an overwhelming bacterial infection. This woman would be alive today if she had been under the care of a real doctor form the begining. This is only one death but even one is too many whe the total number of people cured of illness through homeopathy is zero. Skepchik didn’t make outlandish claims that vast numbers of people are injured by homeopathy she just said that this is a potential serious problem and my example shows that she is right.
All forms of medicines can cause death, that why it’s referred to as an “art.” I just don’t know why you guys would concentrate so much time and effort on a form of medicine that causes so little harm compared to others, but to each his own. It’s not like I’m saying say nothing about it, but seems the amount of time and effort used to try to thwart it is not very cost/time efficient in comparison to other medical arts that cause way, way much more harm.
But at least “real doctors” actually cure illness and disease. There are side effects to real treatments but even the “worst meds” that have been pulled from the market like vioxx for example, helped thousands of people for every one person who sustained a significant side effect and treatments like appendectomy save thousands of lives every year for each person who has a significant surgical complication. Homeopathy cures no one and treats nothing so every single person harmed is unacceptable.
I just wish you skeptics would come clean as to the real reason you guys are against homeopathy. You guys are like X-tian fundamentalist politicians saying they support Israel because they are “they only democracy in the Middle East,” but we know that’s not the real reason they support Israel, right?
Yes we are
You’re going to take a stand against Skepchick’s misinformation?