That’s how a moral philosophy works.
got to get back to work. sorry for the crappy story. start the bashing.
Yes, for those who have humanistic morals, at least! Good job Tom, the story was not crappy, it was correct.. but I don’t know that ‘Noam’ is very chunky :lol:
And though your imaginary country is clearly the US, England and France are not that far behind…
And only the American apologists among us will do any “bashing,” I am sure.
I would put him in the same league as people like Hitchens. He’s definitely right some of the time, but you should check all his claims against better informed sources to be sure he’s not leading you down a garden path.
That is quite laughable! Hitchens IS arrogant and rude as well, and has not been correct about much of anything since 2001!
Chomsky only APPEARS arrogant (and is never rude) to those who don’t know what he knows and simply can’t believe he may be right (no matter the evidence)!
Justified arrogance is ok in my book, but it’s a subjective thing. Same goes for Dawkins.
I agree, but I really do not think it is arrogance with Chomsky… but I do see him get frustrated at times (even with folks who mainly agree), and I think that is because he is so often ignored and bashed that he has to repeat what he says over and over again… and that can get very annoying (even when what he says is mainy correct and important).
As for Dawkins, his arrogance in defending naturalism is justified, I suppose; but since a good deal of his methods and ideas on how to rid ourselves of religious fundementalism takes aim at the wrong persons and wrong reasons for religion itself - and since he has such a misanthropic attitude about human nature - I am not sure he is correct enough on religion/human nature to justify his arrogance.
Of course, when he goes after Creationism and ID, he can be as arrogant as he likes, because he is certainly right on target there!
As for evidence backing Chomsky’s arguements about the meds factory, here is an except from Chris Hitchens himself (in 1998, before he lost his mind!):
“The administration said that no medical or commercial products were made at Al-Shifa. It added that the factory was directly related to bin Laden’s occult commercial empire. It further said that the traces of the chemical compound EMPTA had been found in the soil outside the plant. Within days, there was an amazingly swift climb-down from all these claims.
“Vials of medicine and other evidence of civilian pharmaceutical manufacture were visible in photographs of the first day’s debris. The German ambassador to Sudan, Werner Daum, sent a sarcastic cable to Bonn saying that he knew this all along. The British engineer who built the plant, Tom Carnaffin, attested that the plant had no space for the off-the-record experimental work. Other engineers and architects pointed out that the factory had no air-sealed doors, essential if poison gas is to be on the menu. The Sudanese government called loudly for an international inspection, which the Clinton administration—once so confident—declined to endorse. By the first week in September, Defense Secretary William Cohen admitted that he “should have known” that Al-Shifa made medical and agricultural products.
“Secretary Cohen also admitted in the same statement that there was no longer any “direct” financial connection to be asserted between bin Laden and the plant. But he was still pretty sure that there were indirect ones. That could be. There are also many straightforward connections between the turbanned one and Saudi Arabia. But does anyone believe that the United States would rocket a Saudi Arabian target and let the monarchs find out about it from CNN, or when the missiles fell?
“The presence of EMPTA (O-ethyl methyl phosphonothoic acid) proves nothing on its own, whether found in the soil near a factory or inside the factory itself. I spoke to Professor R.J.P. Williams, who is Professor of Inorganic Chemistry at Oxford and considered something of an authority on biological systems and on EMPTA. It can be an intermediate in the production of VX gas, he told me, but it can be an intermediate for dealing with agricultural pests and for myriad other purposes. “We must be told where the compound was found, and in what quantity it is known to have been produced, and whether there is any ascertainable link to nerve-gas production. ‘Trace’ elements in adjacent soil are of no use. Either the administration has something to hide, or for some reason is withholding the evidence.
“Well then, what was the hurry? A hurry that was panicky enough for the president and his advisors to pick the wrong objective and then, stained with embarrassment and retraction, to refuse the open inquiry that could have settled the question in the first place? There is really only one possible answer to that question. Clinton needed to look “presidential” for a day.”