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Parents, be wary of the hidden danger of vaccines!
Posted: 11 May 2015 07:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]
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Here’s a question, a thought experiment you might say, what if there was a vaccine for cancer, all cancer, would you be for or against that?

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Posted: 12 May 2015 02:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]
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Lausten - 11 May 2015 07:50 PM

Here’s a question, a thought experiment you might say, what if there was a vaccine for cancer, all cancer, would you be for or against that?

If it was SAFE and was shown to have no ill effects, I wouldn’t feel the way I do.  There is a valid reason why many parents are opting out of the vaccine program.

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Posted: 12 May 2015 02:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]
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Lausten - 11 May 2015 04:47 PM

A literature review was conducted to determine the immunization schedules for the United States and all 33 nations with better IMRs than the United States

Ignoring the 200 other countries. How do you manage to do that? What goes through your head when you see that the people providing you information are leaving out important data?

What important data are people leaving out?  Did you not read the study that indicates a synergistic toxicity which may be causing regression in some children?  How can you say that in all seriousness when part of the study done by none other than the pharmaceutical company on the MMR and black children having a 300% increase in the rate of autism was left out?

Here is a list of complications from the MMR shot alone?  It’s up to parents if they want to take the risk?  It is a personal choice.

How safe is the MMR vaccine?

The drug company that makes the MMR vaccine publishes an extensive list of warnings, contraindications, and adverse reactions associated with this triple shot. These may be found in the vaccine package insert available from any doctor giving MMR, and in the Physician’s Desk Reference (PDR) at the library.(8,9) The following afflictions affecting nearly every body system—blood, lymphatic, digestive, cardiovascular, immune, nervous, respiratory, and sensory—have been reported following receipt of the MMR shot: encephalitis, encephalopathy, neurological disorders, seizure disorders, convulsions, learning disabilities, subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE), demyelination of the nerve sheaths, Guillain-Barre’ syndrome (paralysis), muscle incoordination, deafness, panniculitis, vasculitis, optic neuritis (including partial or total blindness), retinitis, otitis media, bronchial spasms, fever, headache, joint pain, arthritis (acute and chronic), transverse myelitis, thrombocytopenia (blood clotting disorders and spontaneous bleeding), anaphylaxis (severe allergic reactions), lymphadenopathy, leukocytosis, pneumonitis, Stevens-Johnson syndrome, erythema multiforme, urticaria, pancreatitis, parotitis, inflammatory bowel disease, Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis, meningitis, diabetes, autism, immune system disorders, and death (Figure 49).(10,11)

http://thinktwice.com/mmr.htm

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Posted: 12 May 2015 02:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]
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Two infants dead after receiving vaccinations

39 others have been hospitalized due to adverse effects of the shots
 
Mexico News Daily | Saturday, May 9, 2015

Two babies have died and 39 others are in hospital after suffering adverse effects following shots given under the National Vaccination Program.

The infants had been vaccinated against tuberculosis, rotavirus and hepatitis B early yesterday morning, but began suffering allergic reactions by 7:00pm last night. A total of 52 children were given the shots in the indigenous community of La Pimienta, San José and San Antonio del Monte, located in the municipality of Simojovel, Chiapas.

The Social Security Institute (IMSS) said it has launched an investigation and ordered the suspension of all vaccinations throughout the country. A team of health officials and experts has been sent to Chiapas to determine what happened.

The babies who died were just 28 and 30 days old. The others have been transferred to hospitals in the state capital, Tuxtla Gutiérrez, where one is in serious condition, 14 are in poor condition and another 22 are stable.

Parents sought help from local authorities yesterday evening but it wasn’t until early this morning that state health officials arrived in Simojovel, which is located about 300 kilometers from the capital.

The state Health Secretariat said it was important to note that vaccination has proved to be one of the most effective public health strategies, but all medication, including vaccinations, can cause adverse reactions ranging from mild to severe.

Source: CNN (sp)

• UPDATED Monday, May 11: There’s pain and anger in Chiapas today
- See more at: http://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/two-infants-dead-after-receiving-vaccinations/#sthash.KrknQ6BJ.CWWEc5Hv.dpuf

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Posted: 12 May 2015 04:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]
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peacegirl - 12 May 2015 02:26 AM

How can you say that in all seriousness when part of the study done by none other than the pharmaceutical company on the MMR and black children having a 300% increase in the rate of autism was left out?

Okay, I’m not going to get straight answers.

The black kids with autism thing. Have you googled it? I mean have you looked at the articles that explain how that conclusion was arrived at? The ones that are debunking this claim. There was a large study done and someone sorted through the data, removing only the points they wanted until they came up with something that looked bad. It’s the exact opposite of blind and random. It wasn’t “part of the study”. The company published all the data, then someone else “left out” a bunch of that data to create a false result.

It’s like if you flip a coin 100 times. The odds are very good that at some point you get 5 heads in a row. That doesn’t mean that you have discovered the rules of random chance are wrong.

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Posted: 12 May 2015 05:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]
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This isn’t for peacegirl. There are some people you can not reason with, but for those here who take a more science based approach to the issue there was some interesting news about the Measles vaccine this week. It has been known for some time that introduction of the Measles vaccine not only reduces cases of measles and measles complications but it leads to a reduction in childhood deaths that is greater than what can be explained by the elimination of measles deaths alone. It has been unclear why but now it seems that there may be an explanation.

There is evidence that infection with measles may eliminate some of the immune cells required to fight off other illnesses. In a sense getting a measles infection gives the immune system a case of amnesia so that it forgets how to fight off some of the infections the child previously had developed immunity to. Kids who are vaccinated and don’t get infected with measles never lose that immunity and are therefor less likely to get these infections and die from them. Interesting stuff.

Here is the link to the NPR story: http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsoda/2015/05/07/404963436/scientists-crack-a-50-year-old-mystery-about-the-measles-vaccine

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Posted: 12 May 2015 10:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 52 ]
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Lausten - 12 May 2015 04:39 AM
peacegirl - 12 May 2015 02:26 AM

How can you say that in all seriousness when part of the study done by none other than the pharmaceutical company on the MMR and black children having a 300% increase in the rate of autism was left out?

Okay, I’m not going to get straight answers.

The black kids with autism thing. Have you googled it? I mean have you looked at the articles that explain how that conclusion was arrived at? The ones that are debunking this claim. There was a large study done and someone sorted through the data, removing only the points they wanted until they came up with something that looked bad. It’s the exact opposite of blind and random. It wasn’t “part of the study”. The company published all the data, then someone else “left out” a bunch of that data to create a false result.

It’s like if you flip a coin 100 times. The odds are very good that at some point you get 5 heads in a row. That doesn’t mean that you have discovered the rules of random chance are wrong.

I’ll have to look into this more.  I know that there was a whistleblower who said they skewed the results.

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Posted: 12 May 2015 10:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 53 ]
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peacegirl - 12 May 2015 10:24 AM
Lausten - 12 May 2015 04:39 AM
peacegirl - 12 May 2015 02:26 AM

How can you say that in all seriousness when part of the study done by none other than the pharmaceutical company on the MMR and black children having a 300% increase in the rate of autism was left out?

Okay, I’m not going to get straight answers.

The black kids with autism thing. Have you googled it? I mean have you looked at the articles that explain how that conclusion was arrived at? The ones that are debunking this claim. There was a large study done and someone sorted through the data, removing only the points they wanted until they came up with something that looked bad. It’s the exact opposite of blind and random. It wasn’t “part of the study”. The company published all the data, then someone else “left out” a bunch of that data to create a false result.

It’s like if you flip a coin 100 times. The odds are very good that at some point you get 5 heads in a row. That doesn’t mean that you have discovered the rules of random chance are wrong.

I’ll have to look into this more.  I know that there was a whistleblower who said they skewed the results.

Maybe you should have “looked into this more” before flapping your lips, ja?

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Posted: 12 May 2015 10:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 54 ]
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macgyver - 12 May 2015 05:17 AM

This isn’t for peacegirl. There are some people you can not reason with, but for those here who take a more science based approach to the issue there was some interesting news about the Measles vaccine this week. It has been known for some time that introduction of the Measles vaccine not only reduces cases of measles and measles complications but it leads to a reduction in childhood deaths that is greater than what can be explained by the elimination of measles deaths alone. It has been unclear why but now it seems that there may be an explanation.

There is evidence that infection with measles may eliminate some of the immune cells required to fight off other illnesses. In a sense getting a measles infection gives the immune system a case of amnesia so that it forgets how to fight off some of the infections the child previously had developed immunity to. Kids who are vaccinated and don’t get infected with measles never lose that immunity and are therefor less likely to get these infections and die from them. Interesting stuff.

Here is the link to the NPR story: http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsoda/2015/05/07/404963436/scientists-crack-a-50-year-old-mystery-about-the-measles-vaccine

Doctors and other health authorities often try to frighten parents about measles by exaggerating the risks.  For example, vaccine pamphlets published by the CDC claim that 1 out of every 1000 children who contract measles will get encephalitis, and infection of the brain.  However, Dr. Robert Mendelson, renowned pediatrician and vaccine researcher, had this to say:  “The incidence of 1/1000 may be accurate for children who live in conditions of poverty and malnutrition” but for just about everyone else “the incidence of true encephalitis is probably more like 1/10,000 or 1/100,000.”  Furthermore, about 75 percent of these cases will not show evidence of brain damage.

The measles vaccine has a long history of causing serious adverse reactions.  The pharmaceutical company responsible for producing the measles vaccine publishes an extensive list of ailments known to have occurred following the shot.  Severe afflictions affecting nearly every body system—blood, lymphatic, digestive, cardiovascular, immune,nervous, respirator, and sensory—have been linked to this “preventive” inoculation.

The manufacturer also warns that the measles vaccine “has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential” and “it is…nt known whether [it] can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproductive capacity.”  Thus, “it would be prudent to assume that the vaccine strain of virus is…capable of inducing adverse fetal effects…Caution should be exercised when…administering to a nursing woman.

Vaccine Safety Manual:  Neil Miller

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Posted: 12 May 2015 10:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 55 ]
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peacegirl - 12 May 2015 10:24 AM

I’ll have to look into this more.

Translation,  - “I don’t like this, so I’ll exercise my willful ignorance and not look into it, or I try to find something in it that agrees with what I already believe.”

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peacegirl - 12 May 2015 10:39 AM

Doctors and other health authorities often try to frighten parents about measles by exaggerating the risks.

I am a physician so please dont tell me what physicians try to do. Your opinion on this is incorrect and clearly based on your personal biases not the facts. Do us all a favor and spend some time looking at Mckenzie’s page and mine. read the information on the links and watch the videos. When you have done all that if you are still convinced you are correct in your beliefs then you can come back here and have a discussion but arguing from a point of ignorance as you currently are does nothing to advance the argument and makes you unworthy of our time.

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Posted: 12 May 2015 11:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 57 ]
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peacegirl - 12 May 2015 10:24 AM

  I know that there was a whistleblower who said they skewed the results.

If there is a whistle blower, they must be telling the truth.  It couldn’t be a disgruntled employee that just wants to get back at the company. 

The employee doesn’t always need to be disgruntled, just a bit stupid.  A long time ago I was talking to a person who had worked in a steel mill and he told the story of walking through the building and coming across a tool that was used to check the steel for straightness.  He described picking the tool up and slamming it against something hard, ruining the tool for it’s use.  When asked why he did it he said “Just because I could, and it cost the company money to replace it”.  For some people just being able to hurt another person, or business, somehow makes them feel better.  It’s like tearing someone or something else down, builds them up.

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Posted: 12 May 2015 11:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 58 ]
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peacegirl - 12 May 2015 10:24 AM

I’ll have to look into this more.  I know that there was a whistleblower who said they skewed the results.

A very reasonable response. All questions are always open, we can never know anything with certainty, all we can ever do is “look into” it. If I could rephrase your words, you remember someone being labeled a whistleblower, who made a claim. All claims need empirical verification (see previous statement). While looking into it, be sure to read opinions that you both agree with and disagree with. If you can make a logical and reasoned case against the opinion you disagree with, your case is strengthened. If you can’t, you learned something. You can’t lose.

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Posted: 12 May 2015 11:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 59 ]
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macgyver - 12 May 2015 10:53 AM
peacegirl - 12 May 2015 10:39 AM

Doctors and other health authorities often try to frighten parents about measles by exaggerating the risks.

I am a physician so please dont tell me what physicians try to do.

That was a quote from The Vaccine Manual, and I have every right to to quote what physicians often do.  Maybe you don’t represent these physicians but that does not mean this is not what they often do.

macgyver - 12 May 2015 10:53 AM

Your opinion on this is incorrect and clearly based on your personal biases not the facts. Do us all a favor and spend some time looking at Mckenzie’s page and mine. read the information on the links and watch the videos. When you have done all that if you are still convinced you are correct in your beliefs then you can come back here and have a discussion but arguing from a point of ignorance as you currently are does nothing to advance the argument and makes you unworthy of our time.

I am not arguing from a point of ignorance macgvverr.  A lot of the studies are incomplete and don’t shed light on how all of these combinations of vaccines and the frequency given are affecting our children’s health in the long term.  I believe that there is a possible connection between vaccines and bad outcomes.  I personally would rather be on the safe side of not injecting rather than injecting when there are no epidemics.  You don’t think the pharmaceutical companies used this Disneyland outbreak of the measles to increase sales?  Of course they did.  Did you know that the majority of children who got the measles were vaccinated?  Maybe you should read up on the links and watch the videos and when you have done all that if you are still convinced you are correct in your beliefs then you come back here and have a discussion.  :roll:

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Posted: 12 May 2015 11:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 60 ]
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peacegirl - 12 May 2015 11:34 AM

That was a quote from The Vaccine Manual, and I have every right to to quote what physicians often do.  Maybe you don’t represent these physicians but that does not mean this is not what they often do.

And what, pray, is the Vaccine Manual, and who put it together?  %-P

You are such an insufferable little fool.

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