PS: What happened to the brain of Citizen’s Challenge above where Jesus is advocated as, well, just about worshiped? The evidence of some type of true conversion is there too. That evidence is the deprecating phrase:
“Shattering our egos.
Dying on the cross of our own making” (failings)
Ego is our identity as self aware and the hallmark of humanity. Ego can be overdone as self awareness becomes “only aware of self”.
to shatter the ego? Don’t shatter it at all. Harness it.
His phase is analogous to:
“Smashing our guitars.
Dying on the stage of our own melody”
If done to express our passion, that is good for everyone and children. In the way CC uses it, it seems hateful to humanity in a way only Jesus and god can be.
Hateful ??? Where do you come up with that?
Yes the “ego” is the aware self.
Human awareness is on a continuum.
Way too many can’t see past their own immediate self interest, or even feel hostility and commit violence towards others. We behave in self-destructive ways.
If those so afflicted work on themselves, they will reach the point where truly recognizing themselves as others have experienced them is emotional shattering - crisis of ego - dying on the metaphorical cross of our own failings.
This is where I’m suggesting the metaphorical example of Jesus comes into its own - no god, no hateful, simply a spiritual support. For those who choose, if you don’t choose him, there are other metaphors and spiritual aids.
Back in the 70s I had a friend who seriously studied philosophy, degree level stuff. He told me about their best professor a man who so thoroughly dismantled all perceptions of his students that it lead to emotional crisis in some. But, once the shock passed the “emptied out” students were ready to genuinely tackle philosophy as opposed to just smelling the flowers. This is close to what I’m talking about.
I’m very curious where you find this “hatred” in my words.
Jesus’ Passion is a guide and support for us as we individually traverse our own lives. Jesus is there in spirit to help each who reaches for him to help guide in times of trials and tribulations. He’s about helping those who’ve reached their reckoning, when sins and failings have done their damage and there’s no place left to go.
He offers strength to stand trial, to be justly convicted, …
to face it, own it, to absorb our own sins.
To finally understand it from the outside looking in.
Shattering our egos.
Dying on the cross of our own making.
The Glorious News is that once you’ve done it,
the promised rebirth happens, and you awaken a new person.
Your history is still yours, but your direction, attitude and understanding is deeper. You find yourself with tools to handle the day to day you never imagined were in you. You finally appreciate your’s is a universal struggle, just as with your parents and their parents and all others.
not about brainwashing or absolutism, or self-delusion,
not about driving an agenda and gaining power,
not a bludgeon of judgement,
no end of the world,
no heaven or hell.
Just a guiding support for those who choose to believe.
Jesus certainly isn’t ruler of our eternal physical universe, nor our mother planet, Earth.
Jesus is a divine being of our own global societal mind,
it’s a beautiful thing, but that’s as far as his reach goes.
Not a Universal Truth, Jesus and the Abrahamic Faiths are Personal Truths, nothing more.
What about Science?
That’s a human tool for understanding the physical world we were born out of and will die back into.
It’s a tool for keeping humans honest* in a way religions are incapable of.
PS. We need each other to keep ourselves honest.