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Brains don’t exist?
Posted: 15 January 2018 08:15 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Is there anyone who can explain this? I saw the whole thing and don’t quite fathom what they mean by that.

https://youtu.be/5N9xARPfJYY

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Posted: 17 January 2018 06:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Sounds like form of solipsism for me. Especially when you check titles of other videos.

That guy (according to other video titles) does not believe in a material world.  I dont recommend to waste time on his videos.

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Posted: 17 January 2018 07:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Titanomachina - 15 January 2018 08:15 PM

I saw the whole thing and don’t quite fathom what they mean by that.

When Tita starts a conversation like this, it doesn’t end well. If it ever ends at all. The guy has more “yeah butts” than anyone I know.

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Posted: 17 January 2018 07:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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As soon as I saw that it was an hour and 46 minutes long, I decided not to waste time on it.  If you watched the entire thing and still don’t understand what his argument was, that is probably a good sign that you needn’t worry about it.  :)

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Posted: 18 January 2018 06:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Advocatus - 17 January 2018 07:51 AM

As soon as I saw that it was an hour and 46 minutes long, I decided not to waste time on it.  If you watched the entire thing and still don’t understand what his argument was, that is probably a good sign that you needn’t worry about it.  :)

They love to throw around how the mind is some kind of deceiver and personal experience as some kind of truth. They also love to throw the paradoxical claims by spiritual types.

His self deception video spent two hours talking about how the mind deceives us, but offers no proof and the evidence he does have is just his opinion.

Even when I point out his contradictions or how literally nothing he says makes sense the people who follow him rave that I’m “trapped” in my mind and don’t get it. It’s infuriating

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Posted: 20 January 2018 04:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Titanomachina - 18 January 2018 06:48 PM
Advocatus - 17 January 2018 07:51 AM

As soon as I saw that it was an hour and 46 minutes long, I decided not to waste time on it.  If you watched the entire thing and still don’t understand what his argument was, that is probably a good sign that you needn’t worry about it.  :)

They love to throw around how the mind is some kind of deceiver and personal experience as some kind of truth. They also love to throw the paradoxical claims by spiritual types.

His self deception video spent two hours talking about how the mind deceives us, but offers no proof and the evidence he does have is just his opinion.

Even when I point out his contradictions or how literally nothing he says makes sense the people who follow him rave that I’m “trapped” in my mind and don’t get it. It’s infuriating

I have heard only few starting sentences of the video. It acts in a similar way as a verbal magic trick. At some point he came to statement which he actually repeated in some form. And you go like “yes this makes sense IF the previous statement is true” and this cycle repeats few times, so you forgot the initial proposition. You remember the last one and you would be saying automatically its not true if there would be no cycle of “preparing” propositions.

Can be used in a different way too, in comedy business. British comedian Bill Bailey has a show. At one point he mentions story of stupid “celebrity” who said that the Earth is flat, and the Moon and the Sun are the same. So he rants how can be somebody so stupid when Sun and the Moon can be seen in the sky both at the same time. Some 20 minutes later he shows a picture where are Sun and the Moon displayed at the same time. Or he say an improbable story, that he purchased an living owl in restaurant in Beijing, and they wrapped it in plastic. 20 minutes later he shows a footage that the story actually happened.

Most “mind training” videos like you linked work in similar manner but start at proposition “lets pretend this is true”. After 120 minutes he gets to the 2nd staement, when you forgot about the pretense. Thats why i checked its other stuff, to understand how outrageous things he say, and people who watch his channel actually believe it. Its similar when you miss 1st episode of the series.

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Posted: 20 January 2018 09:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I know that another thing that he talks about is how the concept of ownership is a myth as well.

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Posted: 22 January 2018 06:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Titanomachina - 20 January 2018 09:18 PM

I know that another thing that he talks about is how the concept of ownership is a myth as well.

I would not test that with trying to take a chunk of meat from a hungry tiger. He would clearly establish his ownership.. :)

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Posted: 23 January 2018 02:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Titanomachina - 20 January 2018 09:18 PM

I know that another thing that he talks about is how the concept of ownership is a myth as well.

That would be worth to explain his view more further. If he gets into statement “its a social construct created by humans” i would point above to example with tiger and nice juicy steak, or to mother bear and her cubs, or a walrus and his harem.

It is a social construct, but it does not make it less real.

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Posted: 23 January 2018 10:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Yeah you’re right. There was also some by about concepts and how we think they help us to understand the world but that they are illusions? I sounds similar to Buddhism but I guess they mean things like the concept of anger, or night, or red. There just seems to be a big thing about it in spirituality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9MS701rvoQ&t=2566s

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Posted: 23 January 2018 02:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Realizing how internal processes in our brain work may give the “heureka” moment. He got that, he keeps himself high on endorphine.

I had similar moment myself, after extensive work on artificial intelligent models for a computer game. It requires a lot of abstract thinking, and getting useful understanding about how our memory work, and how we process information. Even for a basic limited AI model, you might spend 14-16 hours a day thinking about how to translate internal emotions and thought processes into simplified AI script. As a side effect you may become more aware and in control of your own personality. To put it in IT terms, its like getting and ADMIN access to your own brain.

In the end you will recognize root causes of your emotions, you will recognize your own self-deceptions and delusions. You will understand that information about world around us have to be processed from reality to data through our senses before we can perceive them. You will become more self-aware, but also more aware of others and about the described processes. Same has been archieved (using different approaches) by magicians, behavioural scientists, certain journalists, social engineers, spiritual gurus, and master manipulators to a slightly different results.

His problem is that he started to re-evaluate everything around, using his new way of perception. He then assumed that physical reality is not real, but only “virtual” reality which is being reflected by our senses is real, but because its only “virtual” its not real as well. Both is wrong by the definition. Without proper grip to reality or sincerity, you may end up crazy.

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Posted: 23 January 2018 06:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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He seems to think the brain doesn’t exist and that materialism is bunk. That the very idea of “concepts” is what limits us.

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Posted: 24 January 2018 01:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Titanomachina - 23 January 2018 06:04 PM

He seems to think the brain doesn’t exist and that materialism is bunk. That the very idea of “concepts” is what limits us.

Concepts on social level do limit us, and are “virtual”. Which means subjected to change, or can be ignored (which subsequently creates a concept of a thief).

But he took this idea (concept, ehrm) way too far. I dont recommend to ignore material world in form of truck moving your direction, or your brain will stop to exist.

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Posted: 24 January 2018 07:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Titanomachina - 23 January 2018 10:44 AM

Yeah you’re right. There was also some by about concepts and how we think they help us to understand the world but that they are illusions? I sounds similar to Buddhism but I guess they mean things like the concept of anger, or night, or red. There just seems to be a big thing about it in spirituality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9MS701rvoQ&t=2566s

Like at this video

I have a suspicion that our abstract thoughts are caused by the bio-chemical functions of the brain, in addition to the electrical Turing (like) system of processing information.

After all, that is the one identifiable difference between organic brain functions and AI circuit functions.

Why is it that when we have blood or urine tests, we look for chemical anomalies.

Oddly, when we have an MRI, they test only for electrical signals, but not for chemicals.

I had nitrogen narcosis once while scuba diving. Fortunately I was accompanied by experiences divers which took me up halfway and let my body absorb the nitrogen, after which I was just fine. But nitrogen has nothing to do with electrical energy, it’s a bio-chemical molecule.

Offler mentioned “endorphins”, which again are bio-chemicals, not electrical energy.  In living organisms, thought is a combination of electro/chemical functions.

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Posted: 24 January 2018 07:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Question: If I placed a highly sophisticated AI in a vacuum, would that inhibit it’s calculating ability?  AI doesn’t use oxygen to function, their energy comes from electricity, not from bio-chemical processes.

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Posted: 25 January 2018 10:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Write4U - 24 January 2018 07:49 PM

Question: If I placed a highly sophisticated AI in a vacuum, would that inhibit it’s calculating ability?  AI doesn’t use oxygen to function, their energy comes from electricity, not from bio-chemical processes.

You need to watch Star Trek Next Gen. Data answers your questions.

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