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Should Mueller have gone after the 13 Russians?
Posted: 17 February 2018 10:31 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Time will tell if Mueller’s actions was the correct path. The question is, was his path for political reasons only. And did he do more damage to the American psychological warfare system for what good he is going to get out of it. Talking about the MISO military information support operations. Some know it as the Hearts and Minds propaganda operations.
 
For those who have not been following the Russian election actions. The Russians are amateurs compared to the United States in this area of warfare. They formed a restaurant supply company that did political propaganda operations in North and South America, Europe, and Australia. We were told they did around 100K dollars’ worth of propaganda in the last presidential election. While that is not good. That is most likely a drop in the bucket compared to what we spend on that type of warfare. And is a drop in the bucket for what was spent on the last election.
 
While, the details of Mueller’s report is new information the Russian operation is old news. This Russian trolling operation has been known to the public. It is the Internet Research Agency https://meduza.io/en/feature/2017/10/15/an-ex-st-petersburg-troll-speaks-out   
 
I didn’t hear of any arrests. So, the thirteen guys must be in Russia. And we are not going to do anything to Russia at a time when we are asking for Russia to back us against North Korea. Mueller is looking for collusion between Trump and the Russians. And there is none of that here at all. And that brings us to the question. If Mueller knew there was no Trump collusion. And Mueller knew before he started the investigation of the psychological warfare that has been going on here in the United States since 1915. Then I for one expected Mueller not to bring up the Russian involvement unless it was major or involved Trump. I for one trusted our dark agencies with control of most the world’s internet and banking to be on top of the psychological warfare. For the reason, psychological warfare is a real success for US operations around the world to expand the democratic system and now there is going to be backwash for Mueller’s actions in these operations around the world. Was it worth the face saving Mueller is attempting to put operatives at risk of years in prison or even death to create something that the NSA, CIA and FBI already had a handle on and maybe even prevent a country from becoming democracy? The government agencies and the President could have made this known at any time. They did not. Mueller gets a job with the power to make the same decision and he goes for the nothing burger. And I say that because this psychological warfare is not going to stop unless we stop. And fat chance of that happening.
 
As this relates to Edward Snowden. Snowden is a hero because he exposed the government trashing of the constitution. What the Russians did, is not good. But it did not break our constitution laws. What Snowden did put Americans at risk to save our constitution. Mueller did the same to save face.
 
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Posted: 17 February 2018 04:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Who gives a crap what you think, you deny trump is a traitor even with all the evidence…

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19787/

Mueller is working from the ground up, when he eventually gets to trump those who think he is above the law will bitch and moan about that as well.

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Posted: 17 February 2018 08:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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You and the Trolls from Olgino seem to have the same goals of criticism of the top politicians.

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Posted: 17 February 2018 09:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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MikeYohe - 17 February 2018 08:46 PM

You and the Trolls from Olgino seem to have the same goals of criticism of the top politicians.

Once again completely missing the boat, trump isn’t a top US politician, he’s a top Russian politician which is why there is an ongoing investigation into him. That’s why the olgino trolls are working is his interests against America, just like you are.

And trump’s firing of Comey alone is probably going to result in charges of obstruction of justice being laid at some point.

Not only are your posts idiotic, because of who you are here to tout for they are also treasonous now.

I find what professional trolls like beltane are doing disgusting, but at least they are intelligent and have a purpose even if it is highly hostile to the US.

You just flounder around like Alex Jones not even being sure what reality is.

bye, bye, complete waste of time…

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Posted: 17 February 2018 11:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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MikeYohe - 17 February 2018 10:31 AM

I didn’t hear of any arrests. So, the thirteen guys must be in Russia.

This is the crux of the matter. If they’re in Russia the indictment is meaningless, because there is no chance they will be extradited.

I suspect this is an attempt at damage control from the FBI on account of the news that they had the ability to prevent the Florida school slaughter yet did nothing.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/nikolas-cruz-fbi-warned/index.html

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Posted: 18 February 2018 02:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Beltane - 17 February 2018 11:11 PM
MikeYohe - 17 February 2018 10:31 AM

I didn’t hear of any arrests. So, the thirteen guys must be in Russia.

This is the crux of the matter. If they’re in Russia the indictment is meaningless, because there is no chance they will be extradited.

I suspect this is an attempt at damage control from the FBI on account of the news that they had the ability to prevent the Florida school slaughter yet did nothing.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/nikolas-cruz-fbi-warned/index.html

Like I said, a complete ratfuck, this is what trump also just tweeted this evening.

There are constant mass shooting in America, even if the FBI had 4 times the resources it already does there is no way it could prevent all mass shootings. There are too many people who are potential mass killers and too many high powered weapons in civilian hands to prevent all mass shootings.

There are 35,000 people working at the FBI but trump and his supporters like this olgino troll are claiming that the FBI is spending too much resources investigating trump therefore they are to blame for the Florida shooting. Which is clearly nonsense as the FBI is not utilizing profilers in the trump investigation, they are using money laundering experts and experts in Russian intelligence.

The fact that this poster is on page with trump in attacking the FBI while also posting consistently in advocacy of actions and policies that clearly benefit the Putin government like a complete withdrawal of NATO from Eastern Europe is evidence of how closely coordinated this ongoing attack is.

As I’ve said in the IRA thread, why are we even allowing this criminal to post here. He is likely working for the organization listed as the prime suspect in the ongoing attack on the US by Russia.

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Posted: 18 February 2018 02:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19660/

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Posted: 18 February 2018 04:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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DougC.V2 - 18 February 2018 02:08 AM

As I’ve said in the IRA thread, why are we even allowing this criminal to post here. He is likely working for the organization listed as the prime suspect in the ongoing attack on the US by Russia.

Do you have any proof of your assertions that goes beyond mere surmise because of this poster’s ideological views? If so then please produce it. If not then this amounts to continued rule violation which may lead to banning.

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Posted: 18 February 2018 09:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Beltane - 17 February 2018 11:11 PM
MikeYohe - 17 February 2018 10:31 AM

I didn’t hear of any arrests. So, the thirteen guys must be in Russia.

This is the crux of the matter. If they’re in Russia the indictment is meaningless, because there is no chance they will be extradited.

I suspect this is an attempt at damage control from the FBI on account of the news that they had the ability to prevent the Florida school slaughter yet did nothing.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/nikolas-cruz-fbi-warned/index.html

Yes. The first goal of the government is to keep American and Americans safe. The FBI says that is there goal. The school shooting is making the FBI really look bad. Mueller is an FBI legend as far as FBI directors go. Was he doing what you suspect? That is the question. There was nothing the Russians were doing that we didn’t know about. And Russia was sending the Trolls to America to become more familiar with our country and system. Basically, to become better trolls. Logic would be to wait until they made their next trip here and arrest them.

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Posted: 18 February 2018 10:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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MikeYohe - 18 February 2018 09:51 AM

FBI says that is (their) goal.

The dog whistle is deafening.

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Posted: 18 February 2018 11:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Now we have -
 
But Trump himself engaged in a running counterpoint to the message, taking aim on social media at his own national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, because he “forgot” on Saturday to tell the Munich Security Conference that the results of the 2016 weren’t affected by Russian interference, a conclusion that is not supported by U.S. intelligence agencies. They say they will likely never be able to determine whether the Russian involvement swung the election toward Trump.”      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/top-us-officials-tell-the-world-to-ignore-trump’s-tweets/ar-BBJh3ji?ocid=spartanntp
 
Our intelligence agencies have just gone political. These department leaders are trying to fill in for the old system of leadership. They are not willing and able to transform to our new direction. They all need to be replaced before they can do a lot of damage to our intelligent systems.

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Posted: 18 February 2018 12:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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:roll:
Perhaps, the other possibility is that you’ve gone political.

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Posted: 18 February 2018 12:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 18 February 2018 10:30 AM
MikeYohe - 18 February 2018 09:51 AM

FBI says that is (their) goal.

The dog whistle is deafening.

Thank you for your valuable input. I sure someone understands what you are trying to contribute to the discussion.

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Posted: 18 February 2018 12:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 18 February 2018 12:01 PM

:roll:
Perhaps, the other possibility is that you’ve gone political.

Great observation. The forum is “Politics and Social Issues”. Yes I am looking at the political issues. Great you pointed that out incase someone didn’t know where they were at on the internet.

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Posted: 18 February 2018 01:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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More information.
 
The US airstrike in Syria that killed many pro-Assad forces that included Russians is claimed to been an Yevgeny Prigozhin operation. A Russian oligarch who has many companies including Concord. And was funding the Internet Research Agency.
  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/analysis-us-airstrike-killed-dozens-of-russians-in-syria-but-moscow-stays-silent/ar-BBJgAvX?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
 
This new information is changing my opinion as to why Mueller may have gone after the 13 Russians. His goal may have been to expose Dmitry Utkin and Yevgeny Prigozhin. Which would tie Russia’s big business to the Russian military. This would add Economic Warfare to the Psychological Warfare in the story. The Russians are turning out to be good students to the American methods.

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MikeYohe - 18 February 2018 09:51 AM
Beltane - 17 February 2018 11:11 PM
MikeYohe - 17 February 2018 10:31 AM

I didn’t hear of any arrests. So, the thirteen guys must be in Russia.

This is the crux of the matter. If they’re in Russia the indictment is meaningless, because there is no chance they will be extradited.

I suspect this is an attempt at damage control from the FBI on account of the news that they had the ability to prevent the Florida school slaughter yet did nothing.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/nikolas-cruz-fbi-warned/index.html

Yes. The first goal of the government is to keep American and Americans safe. The FBI says that is there goal. The school shooting is making the FBI really look bad. Mueller is an FBI legend as far as FBI directors go. Was he doing what you suspect? That is the question. There was nothing the Russians were doing that we didn’t know about. And Russia was sending the Trolls to America to become more familiar with our country and system. Basically, to become better trolls. Logic would be to wait until they made their next trip here and arrest them.

Nothing we didn’t know about? How about Fepublican collusion? Did we know that then? Do we know it now?

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