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Should Mueller have gone after the 13 Russians?
Posted: 18 February 2018 04:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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I fervently wish Trump and his sycophants, including his family, would exile themselves to Russia. Nothing would be more fitting. Let’s see him rip off Russians instead of Americans. Melania and Ivanka would look lovely in fur hats. Unfortunately, Trump wouldn’t look good in anything.

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Posted: 18 February 2018 08:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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LoisL - 18 February 2018 04:52 PM

I fervently wish Trump and his sycophants, including his family, would exile themselves to Russia. Nothing would be more fitting. Let’s see him rip off Russians instead of Americans. Melania and Ivanka would look lovely in fur hats. Unfortunately, Trump wouldn’t look good in anything.

Seconded…

Russia under Putin is a cheater nation, they cheat at their own elections, they help their stooges cheat in elections in other countries which is why trump is in the White House and they even cheat at stuff like international sports.

Russia doesn’t have official team at the Olympics this year due to systematic cheating at Sochi but it still hasn’t kept them from cheating at South Korea.

https:// http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/feb/18/winter-olympics-russian-athlete-reportedly-fails-drugs-test

As for as the Florida mass shooting that trump is trying to tie back to the Russian investigation for his selfish political interests, as one survivor of the shooting has tweeted, “Have you no shame Mr. trump.”

The simple answer is no, he has no shame. It’s why he didn’t have a problem working for Putin instead of Americans, and it’s why he’d be a natural for a nation defined by the total lack of shame by it’s officials who view the rest of humanity with contempt. Just like donny boy…

Just a few things real Americans have to say about how disgusting trump is…

https:// http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a18221972/trump-tweet-florida-shooting-fbi-russia-probe/

This is the most despicable thing he’s ever done and I am fully aware of what I am saying.

I used to believe there was a bottom to the barrel.

Man, you gotta hand it to the guy. He somehow figured out a way to make the Florida school shooting about him.

The incredible shrinking president. A moral pygmy in the highest office in the land. The breathtaking narcissism of turning a tragedy into something that somehow exonerates him. Truly twisted.

It’s 11:30pm, and the President is holed up alone at his Florida resort, his wife angry that he cheated on her with porn stars and Playboy models, while he yells at Fox News and tweets batshit conspiracies at the rest of us.

When I see this, I try not to waste any anger on this awful person, and remember that he’s emboldened and protected by @SpeakerRyan and Republicans in Congress who will never hold him accountable. So we just have to beat them.

Every American should remember this as they head to the polls this November, a vote for trump is a vote for America’s enemy. Which is who this traitor is actually working for.

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Posted: 18 February 2018 09:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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LoisL - 18 February 2018 04:48 PM
MikeYohe - 18 February 2018 09:51 AM
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MikeYohe - 17 February 2018 10:31 AM

I didn’t hear of any arrests. So, the thirteen guys must be in Russia.

This is the crux of the matter. If they’re in Russia the indictment is meaningless, because there is no chance they will be extradited.

I suspect this is an attempt at damage control from the FBI on account of the news that they had the ability to prevent the Florida school slaughter yet did nothing.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/nikolas-cruz-fbi-warned/index.html

Yes. The first goal of the government is to keep American and Americans safe. The FBI says that is there goal. The school shooting is making the FBI really look bad. Mueller is an FBI legend as far as FBI directors go. Was he doing what you suspect? That is the question. There was nothing the Russians were doing that we didn’t know about. And Russia was sending the Trolls to America to become more familiar with our country and system. Basically, to become better trolls. Logic would be to wait until they made their next trip here and arrest them.

Nothing we didn’t know about? How about Fepublican collusion? Did we know that then? Do we know it now?

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Finally getting caught up on the news tonight. The weather in here in California has been great. I jumped the gun this year because of the warmth. The trees do better by growing bigger leaf’s if they get early water along with warm weather. Bigger leaf’s, give bigger and better nuts. Have been busy shutting down the watering system getting ready for Monday and Tuesday’s freeze. 
 
It is looking like the Russian problem as relating to President Trump is going to be put to bed. Thank god. I was afraid it was going to be carried out to the mid-term elections. Rosenstein said no Americans were knowing involved with the Russians during the election and that the Russians did not affect any American votes.  James Woolsey, former CIA director said the Russians have been doing this since the 1920’s. They try in the 1930’s and 1940’s to disrupt our elections and that they just haven’t had much luck in the United States. He said they do better in other countries. Mr. Woolsey said a Russian defector said that there are more Russians in the intel programs than in the Russian armed forces. I agree with Mr. Woolsey when he indicated that China is where we need to be concerned, not Russia. Mr. Woolsey said the biggest power we have over Russia is the price of oil.
As far as Republican collusion. Never heard of any. As Mark Steyn says, everyone seems to be involved with the Russians except President Trump.

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Posted: 18 February 2018 09:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Mike better stick to your nuts.

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Posted: 18 February 2018 09:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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DougC.V2 - 18 February 2018 08:06 PM

Man, you gotta hand it to the guy. He somehow figured out a way to make the Florida school shooting about him.

According to the Center for Responsive Politics, the NRA spent $11.4million (£8.1m) supporting Mr Trump in the 2016 campaign, and $19.7million opposing Hillary Clinton.

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Posted: 19 February 2018 08:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 18 February 2018 09:46 PM

Mike better stick to your nuts.

Trying to. But it is hard to do with all the regulations, fees, cost of electricity and over taxation. If I give up. Nobody going to continue the growing on the farms I work. There is no money in small farming today. You will get your nuts from overseas as long as the dollar holds out in the world market. Big corporation farming will be feeding America.

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Posted: 19 February 2018 08:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Wrapping up.
 
As it turns out Mueller going after the Russians was a part of the wrapping up of part of the investigation into Russian collusion. Russia has always been involved in American politics. And will continual. The United States is more involved in Russia’s politics than they are in ours. Some think this was a payback to Hillary for the meddling she did in Putin’s last election. And I am afraid that is how the rest of the world is going to see it. Today Russia is more Christian that America. Other counties that hate America wants to see countries like Russia trying to set us in our place. Not only are we ugly Americans, we are also the big bullies.
 
Most hated county

Internet search – [Is the united states the most hated country in the world?]

1st result.
Since the end of World War II, America has been one of the most powerful and influential countries in the world. The United States was admired across the globe for their graciousness to rebuild the world after the Second World War, and for their fight against the communist Soviet Union.

2nd result.
Starting first with one of the most well-known countries, the United States is also one of the most hated countries in the world. While those who live in the country express their own disdain for their politics or other social injustices, it is those who live outside of the US who harbor the most hatred. Although the US has many good things about their country like freedom of speech and other social freedoms, it is the country’s inability to mind its own business that infuriates many people both in the US and other countries.
 
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Three times during the last century the US moved vast amounts of money and resources to other parts of the world. It seems to me that as long as we give countries our resources and fight their wars for a pat on our backs. That seems to make a lot of Americans happy. The facts show that we are truly hated by most of the world today. We got a new leader who says that is going to stop. Our President is changing the way the world views us. And I got to say it is really stupidity to give trillions away while being in debt for trillions of dollars. While some of the countries we are spending money on have four-day work weeks and can afford health care for their people. Why are we paying for their lifestyles?  It is like we can’t fix our problems so let’s fix the problems of the rest of the world.
 
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Posted: 19 February 2018 08:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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MikeYohe - 19 February 2018 08:15 AM
Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 18 February 2018 09:46 PM

Mike better stick to your nuts.

Trying to. But it is hard to do with all the regulations, fees, cost of electricity and over taxation. If I give up. Nobody going to continue the growing on the farms I work. There is no money in small farming today. You will get your nuts from overseas as long as the dollar holds out in the world market. Big corporation farming will be feeding America.

Yeah well our Greed is Good and Too Much Is Never Enough society which you seem to embrace with such vigor, has brought us here, so don’t cry to me about your problems.  Chickens coming home to roost and all that.

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Posted: 19 February 2018 08:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Lets get this train wreck back on the tracks.  The New York Times - Monday 2/19/18 morning briefing:

How Russian trolls worked
• The Justice Department indictment against 13 people and three companies lays out in riveting detail how Russia carried out a social media campaign to disrupt the 2016 presidential election.

Posing as activists, Russians organized rallies in American cities and played on political divisions with online posts that reached hundreds of thousands of people. Our correspondent in Moscow spoke to two former trolls about their efforts.  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/world/europe/russia-troll-factory.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/us/politics/russian-operatives-facebook-twitter.html

• Although Russia sought to manipulate the American electorate, political polarization was already well established in the U.S., our Interpreter columnists write.
President’s relief turns to fury


• The indictment doesn’t accuse President Trump or his associates of wrongdoing, which he quickly said was proof that there had been “no collusion” between Russia and his campaign.
But that sense of triumph soon gave way to an angry Twitter tirade by the president, who has long disputed the idea that Moscow influenced the election in his favor.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/us/politics/trump-blames-obama-and-democrats-for-failing-to-stop-russian-meddling.html
Our fact checkers had a busy weekend looking into statements about Russian interference by Mr. Trump and a top Facebook executive.

• Separately, we examined the tactics that Michael Cohen, Mr. Trump’s longtime lawyer, used to protect him. They included intimidation, hush money and a leading tabloid news business.  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/us/politics/michael-cohen-trump.html

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