Some folks around here are just too skeptical for their own good. There is a healthy skepticism and there is an unhealthy skepticism. To deny your own hands in front of your own face is unhealthy. I’m not saying the 9/11 case is the same. But there are sufficient holes in the story to warrant a healthy dose of skepticism about the “official story”, especially as it concerns WTC 7—which has basically gone unexplained. Buildings don’t fall like that for no reason.
I joined to touch on this topic. Sad to see 22 pages of dense debate on physics. Police investigations consist of more than lab. Criminal history, MO, etc. matter too.
“the amount of Joules when a 200 ton object is travelling at 500 miles per hour” this has no practical import on 9-11.
An oft-heard Strawman is that Bush-Cheney either could not or would not do it, that our military or govt is too incompetent. This ignores lucky outcomes of “errors”.
Ever heard of the Strategy of Tension? Operation Gladio? Launched following World War Two, victory over fascism.
Op Gladio was organised by ‘fascists’ within the security services of the West. Reportedly, the idea was to kill innocent people and then blame this on others.
Gladio was about keeping the right-wing elite in power.
Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony:
‘You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security.”
Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti revealed the existence of Gladio in 1991.
Parliamentary investigations in Italy, Switzerland and Belgium have given us a little of the truth.
The book “NATO’s Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe,” by Daniele Ganser documents some of what we know so far.
Run by fascist elements in NATO and Washington, right-wing militias carried out acts of terrorism and electoral subversion in states such as Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Turkey and West Germany.
Gladio was the name used in Italy. In Austria the name was Schwert, Belgium -Sdra 8, Britain - Stay Behind, France - Glaive, Greece -Operation Sheepskin, Holland, Sweden -Sveaborg, Switzerland -P26 and Turkey -Special War Department. [Source: “Operation Gladio.” users.westnet.gr/~cgian/gladio.htm]
Pentagon document, Field Manual FM 30-31B, details methods for launching terrorist attacks.
85 people were killed on August 2, 1980 in the bombing of the Bologna train station.
According to the Italian Senate, after its investigation in 2000, the bombers were later discovered to be “men inside Italian state institutions and ... men linked to the structures of United States intelligence.”
There is much more info on these ops. They shot shoppers in Belgium. CIA issued denials, but former DCI William Colby admitted some CIA involvement. Vinciguerra and others stated that “the Atlantic Alliance” and CIA were setting assignments and money. It was to prevent commies from getting legally elected.
A BBC documentary called Timewatch covered Gladio. Find it online. Part of it shows former Italian President Aldo Moro’s body in the “boot” of a car. Interestingly, a man named Michael Ledeen appears in the Gladio documentary denying US involvement. He pops up as a key neocon intell consultant in the Bush admin. Here’s a statement from Ledeen a year or so prior to Sept 11:
referring to public/Congress reluctance about war
“of course, we can always get lucky. Stunning events from outside can providentially awaken the enterprise from its growing torpor, and demonstrate the need for reversal, as the devastating Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 so effectively aroused the U.S. from its soothing dreams of permanent neutrality.”
Parsing language, Ledeen called a hypothetical future bloodbath on US soil “lucky” and “miraculous” a blessing from “god”.
Ledeen also openly stated his admiration for Benito Mussolini, and for a bigger, bolder global fascism, a ruling body modeled “on the Waffen SS”. Literally. Ledeen also says he and his peers support Democracy, and oppose Tyranny. He considers fascism to be a populist, middle class, democratic revolution.
Ledeen has ties to the Italian Secret Police and elites at the P2 Lodge. Joe Wilson’s story connected Ledeen with SISME and the false “yellowcake” story that Ledeen fed to Cheney.
Without considering any other connections, the mere fact that these facts have NEVER BEEN MENTIONED ANYWHERE IN MAINSTREAM MEDIA IN THE USA WITH REGARDS TO SEPT 11—not even as an amusing coincidence, a mystery, a puzzle—is shocking proof of something blatant and serious being obscured. It’s INTERESTING, no?
Alex Jones brings up Gladio in a few of his movies, but with not nearly enough info or emphasis.
Sept 11 Truth-seekers do their own efforts an injustice by focusing on scientific minutae and “clues” ad infinitum.
Take JFK for example. Oswald got a loan from CIA in Moscow, to fly himself and his wife to the US. It’s in the Warren Report. Oswald’s Fairplay for Cuba office had the same address as one of J. Edgar Hoover’s top cops named Banister, a staunch anti-communist. It was on the fliers. Oswald as teenager is seen in a photo at a Civil Air Patrol field with OSS officer David Ferrie, who was killed pending an examination by Garrison. Also appearing in photo is Barry Seal, known CIA drug/arms pilot. Seal had Poppy Bush’s phone number in his wallet when he was killed. That’s a whole nuther story. Clearly, Oswald was not a “lone nut”, whatever the trajectory of the bullets, whatever the smoke on the grassy knoll. (watch Evidence of Revision—raw footage from that day, days)
ONE POINT RAISED BY LOOSE CHANGE is valid, but they fail to cover it properly:
Not only did groups within the USGov, NATO, and CIA bomb innocent Europeans for 40 years, they also had specific detailed preliminary plans to bomb and strafe US cities, such as Wash DC and Miami, to blame it on Castro. James Bamford who has written numerous books on NSA, usually laudatory books, uncovered the Operation Northwoods Memo. Hijacking airliners was one plan. The plans included dead American soldiers and dead civilians, real and fake.
Any arguments that the State and Intelligence could not or would not do these things is laughably ludicrous.
Conceptually combining Gladio and Northwoods is a close approximate recipe for Sept 11.
But there’s more. Besides Ledeen described above, numerous other well-placed US officials in Intell and Pentagon advisory roles advocated as to the need for a bloodbath on US soil, statements prior to Sept 11. Ambiguity and weasel-words vary.
People have argued what PNAC meant precisely when they described the necessity for an attack on America like Pearl Harbor to move their plans forward rapidly. Skeptics have pried open and highlighted ambiguities in PNAC statements, in defense of them. Here’s what exists in some context:
Project for a New American Century is an offshoot of earlier groups with fascinating histories, such as Committee on the Present Danger and Team B. The latter two attempted to prove that the non-existence of Soviet WMDs was proof of their existence, that the CIA lacked imagination, and that the US must initiate a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the USSR. (It was estimated that this bombing would lead to some 170 million American deaths in retaliation, but still considered worthwhile and an acceptable death toll. Sept 11 was only 3000, a pittance.)
This intellectual process was later applied to Iraq, with amusing consistency.
PNAC published statements since about 1996, on many issues in world affairs. They offered a highly militaristic hard power viewpoint. They opined on the entire world, but great emphasis on Saddam Hussein and Iraq. They hounded Bill Clinton and Congress to topple Saddam. Democrats dragged their feet, so PNAC helped Ahmed Chalabi court Republicans and AIPAC.
Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, John Negroponte, Michael Ledeen, Richard Perle (Prince of Darkness to his friends), John Bolton, Jeb Bush and William Kristol were members or associates, and about 140 others were members or signers. Not all of them signed all statements. Rumsfeld was a signer, but denied he was a member.
Besides these associations, Richard Perle was on the Defense Policy Board. DPB advises the Pentagon, has access to classified docs. In other words, PNAC has more access and more power than many Congressmen. Sept 11 was CRITICAL TO THE PENTAGON. Sept 11 was POLICY, not conspiracy.
Wolfowitz published a DoD strategy for Fiscal 1994 in 1992. This strategy was echoed by PNAC, and later became Bush Doctrine, an ideological cut-and-paste job. Check it out.
A sort of “summation” PNAC doc called “Rebuilding America’s Defenses” goes on for many pages on plans to upgrade the military and to wage wars.
included: “calls for a blueprint maintaining global US pre-eminence and shaping the “international security order” inline with America’s principles and interests.” This first American Grand Strategy “must be advanced as far into the future as possible,” and the US must “fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars” “as a core mission.”
The September 2000 document also said: “This process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a New Pearl Harbor.”
“catastrophic and catalyzing event” One skeptic could not believe that it actually said that. Bush and other officials raised the Pearl Harbor metaphor more than a few times.
“Skeptics” have argued that “transformation” does not refer directly to waging wars, but the overall context should be clear, their entire focus is on waging wars, with heavy emphasis on the Middle East.
Given all this—and similar pro-terrorism statements exist, both preceding Sept 11 and after—one must question what being a skeptic really means. At what point does healthy skepticism become overwhelmed with blunt trauma of fact.
The largest fact—to me—is NOT what this arguably circumstantial evidence directly PROVES about 9-11. It certainly shows motive, means, and opportunity. Motive is spelled out.
What jumps out at me is that NONE OF THIS INTRIGUING AND COMPELLING INFO HAS EVER BEEN SERIOUSLY RAISED AND RED-FLAGGED with regards to Sept 11. Even if only to clear their names, to disprove that Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfowitz, Ledeen, Cheney, and other ruthless megalomaniacs could have done it, A SERIOUS NEWS MEDIA ON A SERIOUS PLANET WOULD HAVE BROACHED THE SUBJECT, THOROUGHLY. Not a History Channel wash in 2011.
These statements came from Public Relations firms. Why is it such a secret for ordinary Americans that our protectors “wished” for us to be terrorized and killed?
I could go on and on about this background and framework, it’s fascinating. It’s “the system”. There are a few secrets and disputed facts, but most of it is verified public info. This is a more complicated story than WTC BUILDING 7—or maybe it’s a simpler argument—but it’s a convoluted soap opera of covert intrigue. I cannot imagine how anyone could address the PHYSICS ARGUMENTS while ignoring this contextual view. Inside this context, it matters less HOW the Towers collapsed than WHO, altho it makes sense that “Al-Qaeda” would have had inside assistance to SUCCEED.
see Dr. Chossudovsky book America’s War on Terror